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Looking for help figuring value for Dumba in different trade scenarios

Created by: Lancebmx
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2021
Published: Jun. 25, 2021
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Description
Just looking at opinions on what would needed to be added to each trade for Matt Dumba.
I don't care if you think it will never happen, don't bother commenting, I know it will never happen.
Only reason I'm doing this is out of curiosity and discussion.
Yes I know alot of these players are untouchable by their team just want value.
More looking for draft pick value not specific Minnesota players.
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Hayton, Barrett
Additional Details:
I'm thinking this is alot on the coyotes side. Would be interested in value for one or both.
2.
MIN
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
  2. Monahan, Sean
Additional Details:
Again I know this might be alot on the flames side, just want to know what should be added.
CGY
    Matt Dumba
    3.
    MIN
    1. Bean, Jake [RFA Rights]
    2. Necas, Martin
    Additional Details:
    I know Necas is probably a no go, but what would it take.
    CAR
      Matt Dumba
      4.
      MIN
      1. Trocheck, Vincent
      Additional Details:
      Jake Bean (Already in one trade)

      With both of these Carolina trades, could add in Gardiner's contract as well, I don't need to make the money work again just curious.
      CAR
        Matt Dumba
        5.
        MIN
        1. Stillman, Riley
        Additional Details:
        I know Dach would definitely be off the table, who else could be added, looking for centres preferably, I don't really care for Strome lol
        CHI
          Matt Dumba
          6.
          MIN
          1. Broberg, Philip
          2. Holloway, Dylan
          3. Koskinen, Mikko
          4. Neal, James
          Additional Details:
          Does the added value of those two contracts make this close?
          EDM
            Matt Dumba
            7.
            MIN
            1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [RFA Rights]
            2. Romanov, Alexander
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            Super hypothetical if Habs win the cup and Weber were to call it a career. I doubt he would but again just looking for value.
            MTL
              Matt Dumba
              8.
              MIN
              NSH
                Matt Dumba
                9.
                MIN
                1. Tomasino, Philip
                Additional Details:
                Dante Fabbro
                NSH
                  Matt Dumba
                  10.
                  MIN
                  1. DiPietro, Michael
                  2. Rathbone, Jack
                  Additional Details:
                  Could throw any of the bad contracts in as well.
                  VAN
                    Matt Dumba
                    11.
                    MIN
                    1. Hague, Nicolas
                    2. Krebs, Peyton
                    Additional Details:
                    Can retain salary fot added value.
                    VGK
                      Matt Dumba
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:52 p.m.
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                      I'd make a deal around DiPietro for Dumba.
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:54 p.m.
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                      No from MTL.
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:54 p.m.
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                      Hawks probably aern't a suitor for Dumba, but to play into your hypothetical I would offer

                      Chicago Blackhawks
                      Matt Dumba

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                      Pius Suter
                      Ian Mitchell
                      2021 Vegas 2nd
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.
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                      No from Oilers those 2 are pretty important prospects for the future.
                      not worth losing to dump money
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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                      I'd say youre getting a hard no from Montreal, Winnipeg, Vegas, Carolina, Nashville, Calgary, and Arizona. So in conclusion, you maybe got something there with Edmonton and Vancouver
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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                      well remove andersson and then discuss what minnesota should be adding, a top six C that is money in the bank 20 goals when healthy, usually around 30, is significantly more valuable than an offensive top 4 D that has struggled to produce offense for a couple years. Not that calgary is even interested in dumba at this point, we already have andersson and tanev for our top 4
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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                      Timing is a bid deal of trades, and because of the ED I think Dumba would be moved for far less than he would be otherwise because MIN's options are limited.

                      So its hard to tell how realistic you want this to be, if you do what it to be realistic then your 1st step is ED lists and not many teams have open D slots
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:02 p.m.
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                      switch Rathbone with Juolevi and take some salary back (Roussel, Beagle) and you have a deal. Canucks can add a 2nd as well
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:08 p.m.
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                      Your deal is bad
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                      No Necas lol. Probably no Troch
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:08 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Meeqs
                      Timing is a bid deal of trades, and because of the ED I think Dumba would be moved for far less than he would be otherwise because MIN's options are limited.

                      So its hard to tell how realistic you want this to be, if you do what it to be realistic then your 1st step is ED lists and not many teams have open D slots


                      This was more factoring out the expansion draft
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:15 p.m.
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                      Id rather have Andersson over Dumba
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:16 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Gmonwy
                      Id rather have Andersson over Dumba


                      And no interest in trading Monahan for a dman
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:25 p.m.
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                      I think the teams to zero in on here are ARI, CGY, and WPG. VAN also makes sense but they are in no way able to take on Dumba’s cap hit. CAR could be in play of Dougie walks, if Eichel ends up there then Trochek is a good look.

                      The only way ARI would be interested is if they think they could win now, which means you’re looking at Hayton, CBJ 2nd and maybe more. CGY is tough since Monahan 1 for 1 doesn’t seem too appealing for MIN and CGY probably doesn’t want to move the futures it would take. WPG should build a package around Heinola, but I really think they have other plans.

                      End of the day, there aren’t many good places for Dumba.
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 7:39 p.m.
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                      Quoting: jnowariak
                      I think the teams to zero in on here are ARI, CGY, and WPG. VAN also makes sense but they are in no way able to take on Dumba’s cap hit. CAR could be in play of Dougie walks, if Eichel ends up there then Trochek is a good look.

                      The only way ARI would be interested is if they think they could win now, which means you’re looking at Hayton, CBJ 2nd and maybe more. CGY is tough since Monahan 1 for 1 doesn’t seem too appealing for MIN and CGY probably doesn’t want to move the futures it would take. WPG should build a package around Heinola, but I really think they have other plans.

                      End of the day, there aren’t many good places for Dumba.


                      Thank you for adding intelligent content to this forum, seems like not many can.
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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                      Dumba for Monahan is at most a 1 for 1, why would Calgary add a top 4 dman?
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 8:05 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
                      Dumba for Monahan is at most a 1 for 1, why would Calgary add a top 4 dman?


                      If you read the description I was looking for help on the value of the trade, trying to figure out what would be needed to go each way
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 8:14 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Lancebmx
                      If you read the description I was looking for help on the value of the trade, trying to figure out what would be needed to go each way


                      I read it, the problem is you would have to add the value of at least a 2nd Dumba
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 8:49 p.m.
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                      Im not keen on Dumba. I don't think CHI should be trading for him.
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:53 p.m.
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                      No for Necas - even 1 for 1 Necas is much more valuable all things considered. No to Troch as well - created a massive hole at 2C which is much harder to fill whereas you can find a top 4 D in FA pretty easily this offseason.
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:57 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Lancebmx
                      This was more factoring out the expansion draft


                      So not realistic then
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:05 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Meeqs
                      So not realistic then


                      Yeah, never said it was, the whole point of this thread was to create discussion on what the value of Dumba could be. Put different teams that could potentially benefit from him, and players I like.
                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:29 p.m.
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                      From my perspective it was reported during wild GM first season he had no interest in trading dumba for trocheck. Maybe it has changed

                      Also it appears for 2 years, wild GM, & front office has no interest in Sean Monahan
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                      Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:31 p.m.
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                      Quoting: Clement
                      From my perspective it was reported during wild GM first season he had no interest in trading dumba for trocheck. Maybe it has changed

                      Also it appears for 2 years, wild GM, & front office has no interest in Sean Monahan


                      Understandable they were just interesting players that I liked
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                      Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:40 a.m.
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                      I think that Dumba will go to the Flyers. They need a RHD and we know that GMCF likes him. I'd hope to get Frost and Patrick in return.
                       
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