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Is Strome A Lazy Entitled Player

Created by: Agent_Of_R9
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2021
Published: Nov. 30, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks
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There has been a lot of debate on this site between Hawks fans and Leaf fans once again, this time about Dylan Strome. I decided to bring the discussion to Reddit to see what their users think of the situation, and the majority of Erie, Yotes and Hawks fans say that he has the tools to be an effective player, but he is very lazy and entitled. For example, he never goes into the boards to win a puck battle, never moves his legs away from the puck. I think if that's the case, it's going to be especially hard for CHI to try and get value for him because these are the worst types of players to deal with. He's not underdeveloped or lacking skill, he's just lazy.
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
NYR
  1. Strome, Dylan
2.
CHI
  1. Matheson, Michael
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Olli Määttä: $750,108 (18%)
Buried
  • Brett Connolly: $2,375,000 ($3,500,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
CHI
PIT
EDM
TOR
VGK
CHI
CHI
CBJ
CHI
2023
CHI
CHI
TBL
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
2024
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$71,238,380$452,439$4,232,500$10,261,620

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
CHI
DeBrincat, Alex
$6,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
CHI
Dach, Kirby
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Kane, Patrick
$10,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
CHI
Kubalik, Dominik
$3,700,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Toews, Jonathan
$10,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Hagel, Brandon
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 3
CHI
Borgström, Henrik
$1,000,000
C
RFA - 2
CHI
Kurashev, Philipp
$842,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Hardman, Mike
$912,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Khaira, Jujhar
$975,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
CHI
Carpenter, Ryan
$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
CHI
Johnson, Reese
$880,833
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 5
CHI
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
CHI
Lankinen, Kevin
$800,000
G
UFA - 1
CHI
McCabe, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
CHI
Murphy, Connor
$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
CHI
Delia, Collin
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
CHI
Jones, Caleb
$850,000
LD
RFA - 1
CHI
De Haan, Calvin
$4,550,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
CHI
Kalynuk, Wyatt
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
CHI
Stillman, Riley
$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 3
CHI
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
CHI
Shaw, Andrew
$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
CHI
Entwistle, Mackenzie
$811,667
C
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Dach, K.
Toews, J.
Kane, P.
DeBrincat, A.
Jones, S.
Power Play 2
Hagel, B.
Borgström, H.
Kubalik, D.
Matheson, M.
Kravtsov, V.
Penalty Kill 1
Khaira, J.
Carpenter, R.
Matheson, M.
Jones, S.
Penalty Kill 2
Toews, J.
Dach, K.
McCabe, J.
Murphy, C.

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Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:13 p.m.
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What'd you think of this issue?
Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
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People confuse poor skater & lazy too much.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
People confuse poor skater & lazy too much.


This 1000%. If you insist like playing him as a grinder, he will be ineffective. He’s proven more than once that he’s a effective pivot among skilled players. Too often do people think playing a skill role is some kind of reward for “hard work”, when in reality it’s poor coaching through poor utilization.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
People confuse poor skater & lazy too much.


or just "not dynamic". Some people just move faster.

Jason Spezza and Logan brown has been "accused" of the same things... They just have tall lanky bodies.

Tyler Ennis (5'9) and Cole Caufield look the exact opposite. Of course, smaller players will never look as lazy as tall lanky guys on TV...

Hard to believe we're still talking about that in (almost) 2022
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
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Trade makes a lot of sense for both teams IMO, gives each guy a fresh start.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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We don't want Matheson
Nov. 30, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
exo2769 aussie_blackhawk chihawk

What'd you think of this issue?


At this point I'd do the NYR trade. I just feel terrible for Strome. The Hawks have messed up his development and he deserves better. I would not do the PIT trade. Don't really want Matheson's contract. The Hawks have Caleb Jones, McCabe, Beaudin, Kalynuk, Stillman, Phillips that they're splitting LD ice time too right now with additional LD draft picks looking to sign soon. Having 4 more years of Matheson will certainly hurt the long-term goals of the Hawks. Maybe the Hawks trade some of those assets away? maybe, but they still aren't looking for Matheson. They'll be looking for a stay-at-home Dman like Hampus Lindholm.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: exo2769
At this point I'd do the NYR trade. I just feel terrible for Strome. The Hawks have messed up his development and he deserves better. I would not do the PIT trade. Don't really want Matheson's contract. The Hawks have Caleb Jones, McCabe, Beaudin, Kalynuk, Stillman, Phillips that they're splitting LD ice time too right now with additional LD draft picks looking to sign soon. Having 4 more years of Matheson will certainly hurt the long-term goals of the Hawks. Maybe the Hawks trade some of those assets away? maybe, but they still aren't looking for Matheson. They'll be looking for a stay-at-home Dman like Hampus Lindholm.


1000% agree with this
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
This 1000%. If you insist like playing him as a grinder, he will be ineffective. He’s proven more than once that he’s a effective pivot among skilled players. Too often do people think playing a skill role is some kind of reward for “hard work”, when in reality it’s poor coaching through poor utilization.


Yeah for sure Strome can be effective in an offensive role, but I still think he needs to learn to be a bruiser at NHL level. You can only get so far with your skill alone.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:42 p.m.
Quoting: exo2769
At this point I'd do the NYR trade. I just feel terrible for Strome. The Hawks have messed up his development and he deserves better. I would not do the PIT trade. Don't really want Matheson's contract. The Hawks have Caleb Jones, McCabe, Beaudin, Kalynuk, Stillman, Phillips that they're splitting LD ice time too right now with additional LD draft picks looking to sign soon. Having 4 more years of Matheson will certainly hurt the long-term goals of the Hawks. Maybe the Hawks trade some of those assets away? maybe, but they still aren't looking for Matheson. They'll be looking for a stay-at-home Dman like Hampus Lindholm.


Quoting: ChiHawk
1000% agree with this


Thanks for the feedback. So just to confirm, you don't believe Strome's struggles are due to his weak effort and attitude?
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Thanks for the feedback. So just to confirm, you believe Strome's struggles are due to his weak effort and attitude?


No his struggles have been due to his inconsistent time/usage. He hasnt been allowed to build chemistry with guys on the ice. If you've watched the games hes been in, his struggles stem from the fact that most of the time hes the only guy creating a chance because there is no chemistry. Its been far from "weak effort and attitude"
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Yeah for sure Strome can be effective in an offensive role, but I still think he needs to learn to be a bruiser at NHL level. You can only get so far with your skill alone.


This is demonstrably false.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:38 p.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
This is demonstrably false.


Exactly...

McDavid
Mackinnon
Eichel
Kuznetsov

Plus... many... many... more.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.
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No his struggles have been due to his inconsistent time/usage. He hasnt been allowed to build chemistry with guys on the ice. If you've watched the games hes been in, his struggles stem from the fact that most of the time hes the only guy creating a chance because there is no chemistry. Its been far from "weak effort and attitude"


Thanks for the insight. Yeah it's tough and also strange to see a player this good fall so hard. I still think he needs to become a better forechecker & bruiser if he wants to become a full-time elite player, it would open up more space for him to create plays by himself.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:50 p.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
This is demonstrably false.


Quoting: RazWild
Exactly...

McDavid
Mackinnon
Eichel
Kuznetsov

Plus... many... many... more.


I think MacKinnon and McDavid are actually pretty good on the forecheck. Eichel, Kuznetsov & Kane are perimeter players but they have that elite transition ability to create space for themselves off the rush. That's another limitation for Strome, so if he wants to be elite, obviously utilization needs to improve, but he also needs to be more heavy to play against like Draisaitl.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
People confuse poor skater & lazy too much.


But Strome worked with one of the best skating development coaches in the NHL for 3 seasons at Arizona, yet he still didn't improve. Couldn't you say that's laziness?
Nov. 30, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
I think MacKinnon and McDavid are actually pretty good on the forecheck. Eichel, Kuznetsov & Kane are perimeter players but they have that elite transition ability to create space for themselves off the rush. That's another limitation for Strome, so if he wants to be elite, obviously utilization needs to improve, but he also needs to be more heavy to play against like Draisaitl.


Who said anything about “elite”? I don’t think anybody has argued that. But he can absolutely be a 50/60 point pivot, and has been. All the while being a terrible skater with no physicality.

This mentality about “complete” players is coaches not understanding comparative advantage and instead ruining weapons in the name of tradition. It’s precisely what Evason is doing to Fiala in MIN.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 5:30 p.m.
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At this point I'd do the NYR trade. I just feel terrible for Strome. The Hawks have messed up his development and he deserves better. I would not do the PIT trade. Don't really want Matheson's contract. The Hawks have Caleb Jones, McCabe, Beaudin, Kalynuk, Stillman, Phillips that they're splitting LD ice time too right now with additional LD draft picks looking to sign soon. Having 4 more years of Matheson will certainly hurt the long-term goals of the Hawks. Maybe the Hawks trade some of those assets away? maybe, but they still aren't looking for Matheson. They'll be looking for a stay-at-home Dman like Hampus Lindholm.


This is the truth.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 6:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Thanks for the feedback. So just to confirm, you don't believe Strome's struggles are due to his weak effort and attitude?


No, don't know where you are even picking up this assumption from
Nov. 30, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.
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No, don't know where you are even picking up this assumption from


I made a post asking about the Strome situation on Reddit and the Otters, Yotes and Hawks fans that responded all said he was extremely lazy & entitled.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
I made a post asking about the Strome situation on Reddit and the Otters, Yotes and Hawks fans that responded all said he was extremely lazy & entitled.


LOL Reddit is not exactly a good place to get factual information
Nov. 30, 2021 at 6:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
I made a post asking about the Strome situation on Reddit and the Otters, Yotes and Hawks fans that responded all said he was extremely lazy & entitled.


He is not lazy or entitled. Quiet guy who keeps to himself and works hard training. He is a perfectionist and thoroughly loves the game of hockey.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Penguins_Legend_Sheary
Thanks for the feedback. So just to confirm, you don't believe Strome's struggles are due to his weak effort and attitude?


So it's the chicken and egg to most, but there really is a start imo. As someone who has followed this saga through it all...I believe it starts is with management. He's a center. He came to the Hawks and scored 51 points in 58 games...as a center. The reason Stan traded for him was because the Hawks were short center depth. So Schmaltz for Strome looked good. THEN we win the lottery and get Dach. That's no one's fault. In fact a good thing! We can debate until the cows come home about Dach vs Byram. Let's just leave that be for now. NOW the Hawks deepest positions are center and LD. So, they try Strome at wing. He struggled. He never played wing. Then he gets injured at wing and sits. He TECHNICALLY still scored roughly at the 51pt in 58 game pace that bubble year...when he was a center, but management still said no. Even this spring training. Jeremy Coliton and Stan sent him down to the prospects side of scrimmages vs the Pros when he played center. They never once let him attempt to be a #2C. It was Tyler Johnson and Toews. Strome is NOT a 2-way center. That's not a slight. It's just knowing who you are. He's a Power Play offensive dynamic player. It's ironicly exactly what the Hawks lack right now, BUT YET AGAIN. He can't even get ice time. It's actually quite embarrassing.
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Nov. 30, 2021 at 8:07 p.m.
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Quoting: exo2769
So it's the chicken and egg to most, but there really is a start imo. As someone who has followed this saga through it all...I believe it starts is with management. He's a center. He came to the Hawks and scored 51 points in 58 games...as a center. The reason Stan traded for him was because the Hawks were short center depth. So Schmaltz for Strome looked good. THEN we win the lottery and get Dach. That's no one's fault. In fact a good thing! We can debate until the cows come home about Dach vs Byram. Let's just leave that be for now. NOW the Hawks deepest positions are center and LD. So, they try Strome at wing. He struggled. He never played wing. Then he gets injured at wing and sits. He TECHNICALLY still scored roughly at the 51pt in 58 game pace that bubble year...when he was a center, but management still said no. Even this spring training. Jeremy Coliton and Stan sent him down to the prospects side of scrimmages vs the Pros when he played center. They never once let him attempt to be a #2C. It was Tyler Johnson and Toews. Strome is NOT a 2-way center. That's not a slight. It's just knowing who you are. He's a Power Play offensive dynamic player. It's ironicly exactly what the Hawks lack right now, BUT YET AGAIN. He can't even get ice time. It's actually quite embarrassing.


Looks as though he will start on the wing with Dach and Cat against WSH.
Nov. 30, 2021 at 8:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
Looks as though he will start on the wing with Dach and Cat against WSH.


I'd personally like to swap Dach to wing and Strome to center. Neither of them can win a face off, but this is just another fail by the Hawks to me. Don't get me wrong I love the Hawks, but I just think they're wrong.
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