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Jan. 19, 2022 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Marchand's just annoying, while I don't exactly like the Canes, his comment makes no sense


He’s saying they’re among the poverty franchises, as they didn’t really make money for the league until recently I would guess if they do make any.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:05 p.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
He's top 3 defensively in the league but he's also at a higher point per game than even Makar, he's very good with the breakout passes and plays that lead to goals.


Tyson Barrie had 48 points in 56 games last season and he's nothing special offensively, no doubt Toews is very good offensively, but the Avs have a ridiculous amount of shooting talent which boosts his point totals. Even Jack Johnson's points per 60 are nearly double what he's posted over the last 4 seasons.
Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
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3 teams mentioned to be trying to get him according to Marek

Columbus
Florida
NYR

Others werent listed but got to think everyone rn has interest


Columbus???
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:12 p.m.
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Tyson Barrie had 48 points in 56 games last season and he's nothing special offensively, no doubt Toews is very good offensively, but the Avs have a ridiculous amount of shooting talent which boosts his point totals. Even Jack Johnson's points per 60 are nearly double what he's posted over the last 4 seasons.


Yes, but it's different because Barrie for 48 points not because he was good at even strength but because of the power play, isnt Makar the power play QB for the avs? I'm not saying he's a special offensive talent like Makar or Hughes but he's above average and elite defensively
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:18 p.m.
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Yes, but it's different because Barrie for 48 points not because he was good at even strength but because of the power play, isnt Makar the power play QB for the avs? I'm not saying he's a special offensive talent like Makar or Hughes but he's above average and elite defensively


I agree with with everything you said, Toews is definitely above average offensively, I just think if you put Toews on most other teams he wouldn't be close to a PPG. He's still a top 15 defenseman in the NHL. A defenseman who's elite defensively and above average offensively has an elite impact overall.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:35 p.m.
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The Gorton-Hughes duo inspires so much confidence. It's also hilarious that Gorton said "you don't win by being a defensively responsible club", looks like a shot at the previous Bergevin regime.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The Gorton-Hughes duo inspires so much confidence. It's also hilarious that Gorton said "you don't win by being a defensively responsible club", looks like a shot at the previous Bergevin regime.


Looks like a shot to the team they were facing yesterday.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:51 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle




3 teams mentioned to be trying to get him according to Marek

Columbus
Florida
NYR

Others werent listed but got to think everyone rn has interest


CBJ makes no sense, they have Gavrikov, Werenski and Bean as LHD’s ( though Bean has played right for part of the year ) and they shouldn’t go for it yet, they’re not there
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:52 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The Gorton-Hughes duo inspires so much confidence. It's also hilarious that Gorton said "you don't win by being a defensively responsible club", looks like a shot at the previous Bergevin regime.


Yeah, it definitely oozes confidence, Hughes has been having a good presser
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 4:54 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Looks like a shot to the team they were facing yesterday.


It's also been the mantra of the Canadiens since the early 2000s. No wonder why Max Domi's 18-19 season was so highly regarded, only 4 players had 70 points seasons since 2000 (Plekanec, Kovalev, Koivu, Domi). In the same span, Dallas had 11 (Modano, Richards, Benn, Seguin, Hull, Ribeiro, Radulov, Arnott, Eriksson, Morrow, Zubov).
Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
The Gorton-Hughes duo inspires so much confidence. It's also hilarious that Gorton said "you don't win by being a defensively responsible club", looks like a shot at the previous Bergevin regime.


It’s also a dumb thing to say
Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:11 p.m.
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It’s also a dumb thing to say


It really isn't lol. He said you need a well-balanced combination of both, as opposed to strictly defense vs offense.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:11 p.m.
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Columbus???






I dont get it but Friedman says they are in. But lets be honest whose not in.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:16 p.m.
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CBJ makes no sense, they have Gavrikov, Werenski and Bean as LHD’s ( though Bean has played right for part of the year ) and they shouldn’t go for it yet, they’re not there


Thats what I was thinking

To me the teams that make the most sense

Kings, Islanders, Hurricanes and maybe NYR

Kings make the most sense as didnt they want a young really good top 4 LD.

Well Chycrun could be the guy. Add to their prospect pool and emergence of Durzi could see involving one of Byfield or Turcotte + Walker and either the 2022 or 2023 1st.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
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NHL has officially announced the dates for 98 postponed games, including 95 between Feb. 7-22. Additionally, 23 more games have been rescheduled to accommodate the postponed games taking their places.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:40 p.m.
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It really isn't lol. He said you need a well-balanced combination of both, as opposed to strictly defense vs offense.


Yep, this would also mean that we’d have to rely less on goaltending
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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Thats what I was thinking

To me the teams that make the most sense

Kings, Islanders, Hurricanes and maybe NYR

Kings make the most sense as didnt they want a young really good top 4 LD.

Well Chycrun could be the guy. Add to their prospect pool and emergence of Durzi could see involving one of Byfield or Turcotte + Walker and either the 2022 or 2023 1st.


Trading Byfield for Chychrun would be a terrible move
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.
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Thats what I was thinking

To me the teams that make the most sense

Kings, Islanders, Hurricanes and maybe NYR

Kings make the most sense as didnt they want a young really good top 4 LD.

Well Chycrun could be the guy. Add to their prospect pool and emergence of Durzi could see involving one of Byfield or Turcotte + Walker and either the 2022 or 2023 1st.


The only teams that make sense are LAK ,NYR, and WPG. For every other team it isn’t worth it
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Thats what I was thinking

To me the teams that make the most sense

Kings, Islanders, Hurricanes and maybe NYR

Kings make the most sense as didnt they want a young really good top 4 LD.

Well Chycrun could be the guy. Add to their prospect pool and emergence of Durzi could see involving one of Byfield or Turcotte + Walker and either the 2022 or 2023 1st.


I keep going back and forth on whether I want Chychrun on the isles or not
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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I keep going back and forth on whether I want Chychrun on the isles or not


He would make up for trading away Toews and Leddy. Not entirely but hey he would help them out. Got to think Lou is heavily considering trading for him as potentially his job could be on the line

Got to think ownership is pretty angry at Lou for how he handled the situation. As losing Toews was bad. Moving Leddy to sign Palmieri while proceeding to replace him with
Chara and Greene and then let Eberle get taken to protect Clutterbuck are not GM of the year moves
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.
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He would make up for trading away Toews and Leddy. Not entirely but hey still better then Chara. Got to think Lou is heavily considering as potentially his job could be on the line

Got to think ownership is pretty angry at Lou for how he handled the situation. As losing Toews was bad. Losing Leddy to sign Palmieri and then let Eberle get taken to protect Clutterbuck are not GM of the year moves


you forgot that the Isles lead the league in grit/60 and that's all Lou + Trotz care about
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:52 p.m.
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you forgot that the Isles lead the league in grit/60 and that's all Lou + Trotz care about


Its sad as Trotz is a good coach but his distrust of rookies really is annoying. Its basically I will use them when I have to but really I want to use 4th liner johnston more. If he would allow rookies to play more and give them more opportunities while also being firm Islanders would be a team to watch out for. Guess his era might be coming to an end

Still he did help the Islanders go from worst defense in the League to one of the best (till this year) so I will give him that.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
He would make up for trading away Toews and Leddy. Not entirely but hey he would help them out. Got to think Lou is heavily considering trading for him as potentially his job could be on the line

Got to think ownership is pretty angry at Lou for how he handled the situation. As losing Toews was bad. Moving Leddy to sign Palmieri while proceeding to replace him with
Chara and Greene and then let Eberle get taken to protect Clutterbuck are not GM of the year moves


Lou and Trotz deserve equal blame on the Toews trade.

Leddy has been a bottom 5 defenseman in the league this season and the isles drafted their future 2C with the pick they got in the Leddy trade. For all of Lou’s flaws, he fleeced Yzerman in that trade.

Don’t lump Greene in with Chara, he’s actually been a serviceable 2nd pair caliber D this season. The issue with the isles is Trotz plays Chara like he’s a #1 defenseman (which is also Lou’s fault because he should know Trotz won’t scratch a vet) and that completely messed up the isles D pairs.
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.
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you forgot that the Isles lead the league in grit/60 and that's all Lou + Trotz care about


Ross johnston is a legend
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Jan. 19, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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Its sad as Trotz is a good coach but his distrust of rookies really is annoying. Its basically I will use them when I have to but really I want to use 4th liner Johnsson more. If he would allow rookies to play more and give them more opportunities while also being firm Islanders would be a team to watch out for.

Still he did help the Islanders go from worst defense in the League to one of the best (till this year) so I will give him that.


The year before Trotz became HC the isles had Leddy and Boychuk as their top pair. Trotz’s first year as head coach he had Pelech, Toews, and Pulock in his top 4. He was pretty much riding the aging curve of the isles top players and gets credit for them going from the worst to best defensive team.
 
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