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Sergachev

Created by: Point21
Team: 2022-23 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 21, 2022
Published: Apr. 21, 2022
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Of these trades, what would be the most realistic Sergy trade
Trades
1.
TBL
    3rd overall
    SEA
    1. Sergachev, Mikhail
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    24th overall
    2.
    TBL
      5th overall
      NJD
        Sergachev
        3.
        TBL
        1. Brännström, Erik [RFA Rights]
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        7th overall
        OTT
          Sergachev
          4.
          TBL
          1. Mahura, Josh
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          11th overall + mid round pick
          ANA
            Sergachev
            5.
            TBL
            1. Turcotte, Alex
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            17th overall + mid round pick
            LAK
              Sergachev + 24th overall
              DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
              2022
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              2023
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              2024
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              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
              19$82,500,000$73,494,167$0$1,550,000$9,005,833
              Left WingCentreRight Wing
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              $4,450,000$4,450,000
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              UFA - 1
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              $9,500,000$9,500,000
              C, RW
              UFA - 8
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              $9,500,000$9,500,000
              RW
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              UFA - 5
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              $1,500,000$1,500,000
              LW
              UFA - 2
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              $4,800,000$4,800,000
              C, LW
              UFA - 1
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              $8,500,000$8,500,000
              LW, C
              NMC
              UFA - 2
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              $1,125,000$1,125,000
              C, LW
              UFA - 1
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              $1,000,000$1,000,000
              C, LW
              UFA - 1
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              $1,000,000$1,000,000
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              UFA - 1
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              $800,000$800,000
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              UFA - 2
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              $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$1,550,000$2M)
              C
              RFA - 2
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              $7,875,000$7,875,000
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              UFA - 3
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              $2,950,000$2,950,000
              RD
              UFA - 1
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              $9,500,000$9,500,000
              G
              NMC
              UFA - 6
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              $6,750,000$6,750,000
              LD
              NTC
              UFA - 4
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              $850,000$850,000
              RD
              RFA - 1
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              $900,000$900,000
              G
              UFA - 1
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              $850,000$850,000
              RD
              NTC
              UFA - 2
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              $750,000$750,000
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              RFA - 1
              ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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              $6,875,000$6,875,000
              RD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 2

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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.
              #1
              Dougie HIMilton
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              Personally would have a tough time seeing that from the Devils end becuase you likely have at least 1 of jiricek or name on the board and if not, its Cooley or slafkovsky. So I'd be kinda surprised if they moved 5th. Indeed, I'd expect them to move it for Fiala (or another wiemecnger) rather than Sergachev anyway.

              Though, I think there's a trade between Tampa and the Devils that could make sense for Serg, I don't think it's this.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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              Pistol Pete
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              i tend to think they keep sergachev and try to take about 2 more runs at the cup before trying to snag a high pick.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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              Is it Sergachev and Tampa Bay's 1st for New Jersey's 1st?
              Or just NJD pick for Serg?
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.
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              Sens ask you if you have a higher pick to give them.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:35 p.m.
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              Sergachev isn't getting anywhere near those kind of returns, Heck Detroit made mince meat out of him the other night.
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.
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              Quoting: Zmach
              i tend to think they keep sergachev and try to take about 2 more runs at the cup before trying to snag a high pick.


              i wouldnt doubt he is signed long term this offseason as they usually do a year before they reach free agency.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.
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              Yeah no way should Ottawa be moving their pick this year Imo.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:39 p.m.
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              Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
              Sergachev isn't getting anywhere near those kind of returns, Heck Detroit made mince meat out of him the other night.


              yes cause a 23 year old dman putting up about .50 PPG with a QO of 5m next year and still has a year left is worth nothing cause he has a few bad games like every other dman in the league..
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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              Quoting: Point21
              yes cause a 23 year old dman putting up about .50 PPG with a QO of 5m next year and still has a year left is worth nothing cause he has a few bad games like every other dman in the league..


              3rd overall, 5th overall 7th overall in a deep draft. Sorry he's not returning anywhere near those kind of picks. His career .50 is the same as Hronek in Detroit and you're talking possibly a mid-teen pick for him.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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              Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
              3rd overall, 5th overall 7th overall in a deep draft. Sorry he's not returning anywhere near those kind of picks. His career .50 is the same as Hronek in Detroit and you're talking possibly a mid-teen pick for him.


              https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=4477&players%5B%5D=4469&period=2021-2022%3AR%3A99

              Sergy is better than Hronek
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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              From LA's perspective, I'd rather trade for Sergachev than Chychrun.
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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              Quoting: Point21
              yes cause a 23 year old dman putting up about .50 PPG with a QO of 5m next year and still has a year left is worth nothing cause he has a few bad games like every other dman in the league..


              His fancies are...pretty bad this year. Like his RAPM and WAR. 5th TBL dman in WAR.

              39th percentile in the WAR/xWAR player cards from EH.

              Can reasonably be argued the points are a function of the team around him.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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              Quoting: Point21
              yes cause a 23 year old dman putting up about .50 PPG with a QO of 5m next year and still has a year left is worth nothing cause he has a few bad games like every other dman in the league..


              $7,200,000
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:27 p.m.
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              Quoting: tkecanuck341
              From LA's perspective, I'd rather trade for Sergachev than Chychrun.

              Why? Just curious.

              FWIW I like both their games.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:31 p.m.
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              Tampa isnt looking to move him. Brisebois would have to get an amazing offer to seriously consider it. 5th overall or 7th+Brannstrom would be the best of these. Tampa likely isn't interested in moving their pick either, and this draft class isn't that deep anyway. I guess if Tampa could move up to either get Slafkovsky or one of the dmen(Nemec, Jiricek or Korchinski would be my top preferences), then maybe.
              IN all likelihood Tampa keeps the sure thing they have with Serg and just locks him up this Summer with a new deal.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.
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              Quoting: HeadHighSauce
              His fancies are...pretty bad this year. Like his RAPM and WAR. 5th TBL dman in WAR.

              39th percentile in the WAR/xWAR player cards from EH.

              Can reasonably be argued the points are a function of the team around him.


              And GM's that would try and use that to lowball him get a quick chuckle and no thanks from Brisebois.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
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              Quoting: JTBF81
              And GM's that would try and use that to lowball him get a quick chuckle and no thanks from Brisebois.


              👍
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
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              Quoting: KINGS67
              Why? Just curious.

              FWIW I like both their games.


              Due to Arizona's position in both the standings and salary cap, they have no need to try to immediately improve their team or cut salary. Because of that, they're going to be looking for a significant overpayment what is arguably their last and best trade asset.

              Tampa, on the other hand, is going to need to do some maneuvering to make their cap situation work. They're not going to sell low, but they're not necessarily looking to fleece a team either. They need help as much as LA does to get cap compliant while remaining competitive. I think they'd let Sergachev go for a reasonably priced return, assuming LA sends back assets that makes sense for them.

              Sergachev has intangibles, including 2 Stanley Cup wins while playing big minutes on a top quality team. Chychrun has played in exactly 5 playoff games in his career.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 7:08 p.m.
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              Quoting: tkecanuck341
              Due to Arizona's position in both the standings and salary cap, they have no need to try to immediately improve their team or cut salary. Because of that, they're going to be looking for a significant overpayment what is arguably their last and best trade asset.

              Tampa, on the other hand, is going to need to do some maneuvering to make their cap situation work. They're not going to sell low, but they're not necessarily looking to fleece a team either. They need help as much as LA does to get cap compliant while remaining competitive. I think they'd let Sergachev go for a reasonably priced return, assuming LA sends back assets that makes sense for them.

              Sergachev has intangibles, including 2 Stanley Cup wins while playing big minutes on a top quality team. Chychrun has played in exactly 5 playoff games in his career.

              Fair enough.
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.
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              This would be 2022 1st round picks yeah?
              Apr. 21, 2022 at 7:46 p.m.
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              I would do the Ottawa one, Brannstrom can get better in Tampa
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              Apr. 21, 2022 at 8:25 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensibleguy
              $7,200,000


              he signed it after the change, it would be a little over 5m
              Apr. 22, 2022 at 9:06 p.m.
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              Quoting: Point21
              yes cause a 23 year old dman putting up about .50 PPG with a QO of 5m next year and still has a year left is worth nothing cause he has a few bad games like every other dman in the league..


              Quoting: sensibleguy
              $7,200,000


              Quoting: Point21
              he signed it after the change, it would be a little over 5m



              Okay, under the new rule

              For players who are on expiring contracts that were signed after July 10, 2020:
              The Qualifying Offer is limited to 120% of their previous contracts annual average (AAV)
              Reference: 2020 NHL CBA extension Memorandum of Understanding (MOU)


              It's $5,760,000 ($4.8MM x 120%)

              Less than the $7.2MM, more than a little over $5MM.
               
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