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Question for Sharks Fans

Created by: JustanIdea
Initial Creation Date: May 21, 2022
Published: May 21, 2022
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Meier, Timo
Additional Details:
Is he available?
SJS
  1. Norris, Joshua
  2. Batherson, Drake
  3. Tkachuk, Brady
  4. Formenton, Alex
  5. Stützle, Tim
  6. Chabot, Thomas
  7. Zub, Artem
  8. Pinto, Shane
  9. Greig, Ridly
  10. Søgaard, Mads
Additional Details:
List of untouchables
2.
OTT
    SJS
    1. Sanderson, Jake
    2. Bernard-Docker, Jacob
    3. Thomson, Lassi
    Additional Details:
    Also on that list



    One or the other of JBD or Thomson
    Buyouts
    • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
    • Dion Phaneuf: $354,167
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Matt Murray: $1,562,500 (25%)
    • Nicholas Paul: $600,750 (45%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    15$81,500,000$48,036,583$0$450,000$33,463,417
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
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    Brown, Connor
    $3,600,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    Tierney, Chris
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    White, Colin
    $4,750,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 4
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    Meier, Timo
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
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    Gambrell, Dylan
    $1,100,000
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Watson, Austin
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    Gaudette, Adam
    $997,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
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    Joseph, Mathieu
    $737,500
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Del Zotto, Michael
    $2,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
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    Zaitsev, Nikita
    $4,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
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    Forsberg, Anton
    $900,000
    G
    UFA - 1
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    Holden, Nick
    $1,700,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    Hamonic, Travis
    $3,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Mete, Victor
    $1,200,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
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    Brännström, Erik
    $863,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Murray, Matt
    $4,687,500
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
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    Ennis, Tyler
    $900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1

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    May 21 at 9:50 p.m.
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    So who exactly is available? You’d have to give up quite a bit, 1st plus top prospect, to start the conversation
    May 21 at 9:51 p.m.
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    You gotta give to get. Is norris available?
    List of untouchables
    Anyone good on our team or
    Any prospects that are decent
    May 21 at 9:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: glarson17
    So who exactly is available? You’d have to give up quite a bit, 1st plus top prospect, to start the conversation


    yeah idk if he expects that the combo of Brown + Tierney will get the job done
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    May 21 at 9:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: NoWah49
    yeah idk if he expects that the combo of Brown + Tierney will get the job done


    Yeah that wouldn’t get Timo’s nail clippings
    May 21 at 9:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    You gotta give to get. Is norris available?
    List of untouchables
    Anyone good on our team or
    Any prospects that are decent


    Dude, you can have our entire prospect pool other than one of Thomson and JBD and Soggard. Any one else the rest are the core.


    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    You gotta give to get. Is norris available?
    List of untouchables
    Anyone good on our team or
    Any prospects that are decent



    Yeah, okay, so the core is untouchable what's wrong with that.

    You could probably take out Thomson, JBD, and Soggard but that is the list. That's the core.
    May 21 at 9:54 p.m.
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    yeah idk if he expects that the combo of Brown + Tierney will get the job done


    Can you answer the question. Just is he available, that was the point of this.
    May 21 at 9:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: JustanIdea
    Can you answer the question. Just is he available, that was the point of this.


    what do you expect? At least a 1st and one of your untouchables starts the convo. Maybe like the 1st, Formenton or Greig, and Pinto gets close but I can't imagine Sens fans want to do that
    May 21 at 9:59 p.m.
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    I can understand Brady, Norris, Stutzle, Chabot, and maybe Batherson being unavailable simply because it's counterproductive to move any of them for Meier. Maybe Sanderson too. But everyone else should definitely be on the table for him and saying they aren't is pretty troll
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    May 21 at 10:04 p.m.
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    You can't have 13 untouchables and expect to trade for anyone of value lol
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    May 21 at 10:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: JustanIdea
    Dude, you can have our entire prospect pool other than one of Thomson and JBD and Soggard. Any one else the rest are the core.





    Yeah, okay, so the core is untouchable what's wrong with that.

    You could probably take out Thomson, JBD, and Soggard but that is the list. That's the core.


    “You can have any of our prospects, just not our top 10 prospects, for your top scorer this season who was a point per game player and is only 25 yo.”
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    May 21 at 10:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: JustanIdea
    Dude, you can have our entire prospect pool other than one of Thomson and JBD and Soggard. Any one else the rest are the core.





    Yeah, okay, so the core is untouchable what's wrong with that.

    You could probably take out Thomson, JBD, and Soggard but that is the list. That's the core.


    A core is 4 maybe 5 players not 17
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    May 21 at 10:51 p.m.
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    Don't think he's really available in the first place but that's especially true if 89 players in the Sens organization are "untouchable"
    May 21 at 11:02 p.m.
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    This year's #1 (7th OA) and one of Thomson/JDB (San Jose's choice) to start. I think you have to offer at least a future 2nd, if not conditional 1st, and then throw another player at them - I think if you offered up Mathieu Joseph, they'd bite.
    May 21 at 11:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
    Don't think he's really available in the first place but that's especially true if 89 players in the Sens organization are "untouchable"


    Hi, I'm really interested in getting Norris. We can offer anyone not named:

    Meier
    Barabanov
    Eklund
    Bordeleau
    Wiesblatt
    Gushchin
    Robins
    Coe
    Weatherby
    Reedy
    Gregor
    Chmelevski
    Balcers
    Couture
    Hertl
    Gaudreau
    Chrona
    Mann
    Dahlen
    Laroque
    Cardwell


    So what will it take to get Norris that isn't untouchable.


    (wtf)
    May 21 at 11:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    This year's #1 (7th OA) and one of Thomson/JDB (San Jose's choice) to start. I think you have to offer at least a future 2nd, if not conditional 1st, and then throw another player at them - I think if you offered up Mathieu Joseph, they'd bite.


    Wrong. That's a terrible offer.
    May 21 at 11:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: crankshaft
    Wrong. That's a terrible offer.


    We're trading our 9 OA pick from the deepest draft in 30 years for the 7th pick in a very weak draft and a B level prospect? Atrocious.
    May 21 at 11:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    This year's #1 (7th OA) and one of Thomson/JDB (San Jose's choice) to start. I think you have to offer at least a future 2nd, if not conditional 1st, and then throw another player at them - I think if you offered up Mathieu Joseph, they'd bite.
    May 21 at 11:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: crankshaft
    We're trading our 9 OA pick from the deepest draft in 30 years for the 7th pick in a very weak draft and a B level prospect? Atrocious.


    i agree its not a good trade to make for the shark but thats just an argument that makes absolutly no sense. like you dont have more value cause your draft class was good.
    May 21 at 11:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: JustanIdea
    Can you answer the question. Just is he available, that was the point of this.


    I wouldn't say he's 'available,' but if an offer came in that made sense; Sharks would do it. New GM might want to start fresh in a way.

    Edit: And nothing that you consider available would make sense.
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    May 21 at 11:28 p.m.
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    Formenton, Greig, Pinto, Soogard, Thomson and JBD all shouldn't be considered "untouchable" at all. "only move them if it's REALLY for the right deal", absolulely. they're not guys you just put out there to see what you can get, but a Meier deal would start with 7OA and at least one of those guys.
    May 22 at 5:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: JustanIdea
    Dude, you can have our entire prospect pool other than one of Thomson and JBD and Soggard. Any one else the rest are the core.





    Yeah, okay, so the core is untouchable what's wrong with that.

    You could probably take out Thomson, JBD, and Soggard but that is the list. That's the core.


    You want timo meier but arent willing to give up anything of value to get him. Its like if the isles wanted brady but werent interested on moving
    Barzal
    Beauvillier
    Wahlstrom
    Pulock
    Pelech
    Dobson
    Nelson
    Raty
    Sorokin
    Pageau
    1st round picks
    "Yeah ok so the core is untouchable whats wrong with that" nothings wrong with it per se just that nobodys gonna make that trade bc theres nothing coming back the other way.
     
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