Marner needs to be humbled

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Anaheim can’t afford to trade Gibson and Fowler. They would give up ten goals a game lmao.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 6:47 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

Ducks take that ... Gibson has been quite bad this year and really over the past 4+. You dont want him at that AAV.

He isn’t the real issue. That team is ****ing trash.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 6:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

He isn’t the real issue. That team is ****ing trash.

i mean yeah but he also has not been a great goalie for a while. No reason to trade for him at that AAV and term

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

i mean yeah but he also has not been a great goalie for a while. No reason to trade for him at that AAV and term

Idk what I’d trade for him, but someone like NJ would benefit tremendously from adding him.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 6:52 p.m.

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Ducks say hell no to that offer. Marner is not worth those 4 pieces PLUS the cost to dump Murray.

For those who didn't watch, Gibson is the reason the Ducks won the game last night, he stuffed Kerfoot on the BS penalty shot, and he stuffed Marner in OT which led to the Zegras game winner.

This, of course, was after the Refs tried to gift the game to Toronto, twice.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

Ducks take that ... Gibson has been quite bad this year and really over the past 4+. You dont want him at that AAV.

You're overlooking how bad the ducks are in front of him. Imagine being a goaltender of his talent and having the tenure you've had on a team that has been as bad as they have been for the last 5 years. The ducks have missed the playoffs the last 4 years and got beat the first round in 2018. Gibson is in the prime of his career and the team has been brutal. If he hasnt played like he has the last 3 seasons the ducks would have been much worse. He's a vezina winner before his career is up.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:00 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

i mean yeah but he also has not been a great goalie for a while. No reason to trade for him at that AAV and term

Have you ever watched Gibson play? Yeah, his stats are pretty brutal the last few years, but watch some of his games, dude has to stand on his head basically every night. Stats say Gibson and Murray are in the same ballpark as goalies, they eye test tells you they are in completely different leagues.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:04 p.m.

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I'm not sure what Marners value is in a trade, but surely it's more than this.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.

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The Gibson truthers are quite a bunch.

Guy has been below average for quite a while.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:06 p.m.

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Leafs just need the next Andersen, would that be Dostal or Stolarz?

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:10 p.m.

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Leafs just need the next Andersen, would that be Dostal or Stolarz?

We're not trading Dostal if that's the question, but Stolarz can be made available for the right price.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Anaheim can’t afford to trade Gibson and Fowler. They would give up ten goals a game lmao.

And that's bad for them this year? With Zegras and Marner, just let them go offence and score as much as they can. Get Bedard and then you are a really good team

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

It's a good trade for Anaheim. Murray is just a throw in to balance cap. But he's off the books after next season and at worst he is a potential stop gap goalie while you finish last.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

It's a good trade for Anaheim. Murray is just a throw in to balance cap. But he's off the books after next season and at worst he is a potential stop gap goalie while you finish last.

Makes no sense for Anaheim tbh

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

The Gibson truthers are quite a bunch.

Guy has been below average for quite a while.

He still steals games for us, we don't have a problem with his contract, the fan base still loves the guy, and he wants to stay in Anaheim. The last few years the team has tried to ask too much of him as a player, and maybe he isn't the same monster he was earlier in his career, but he is still a much better goalie than his stats imply.

So why would we trade him, our best defenseman, a young, cost controlled physical player who can score, and an unprotected first, all for a guy who had a meltdown in our barn and got benched last night, and a goalie who plays poorly when healthy, which is rarely? Even if we wanted to get Marner, what role does he fill on our team? He isn't going to play with Zegras, Z is already his lines playmaker. Maybe he plays on the Strome McTavish line in place of Vatrano, but why pay 11 mil for a 2nd line winger? What does he demand on his next contract? We have McTavish next deal to think about then too. What the hell do we do on defense after we ship Fowler out? Do we call up Boston and ask for their castoffs to get us through this season?

Ducks aren't buyers, so we're out on Marner unless its a fire sale.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:31 p.m.

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Gibson starts 70% of his games.

People forget how valuable that is. Unless you have unlocked a way to keep three goalies on a roster, having a workhorse with slightly worse numbers is usually more valuable. Imagine you have a veteran #2 who can start your easiest 25 games and provide league average numbers. Then add one of these two options:

Option A:
-- one goalie, one roster spot
-- 55 games 160 goals = 2.90 GAA

Option B
-- Two goalies, two roster spots
-- One gets 40 games 100 goals = 2.50 GAA
-- Other gets 15 games 60 goals = 4.00 GAA

With no way to determine the distribution of goals, almost any GM pays more for option A.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:36 p.m.

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well Anaheim wants to part of this trade so humble him elsewhere

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:37 p.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

It's a good trade for Anaheim. Murray is just a throw in to balance cap. But he's off the books after next season and at worst he is a potential stop gap goalie while you finish last.

Its a **** trade for Anaheim. Ignoring the fact the Gibson has already said he doesn't want to play for Toronto, and will torpedo a deal that involves sending him there, this deal strips us of our goaltending and defense. Add that Drysdale is out for the season and Vaakainen is a question mark this season, this would put a monster workload on whoever is in net. Murray will just get hurt again, Stolarz, bless that guy, is not a starter, and we can't destroy Dostal by throwing him to the wolves. So then what, we go get Bob from Florida? That sounds like a rather **** plan, just to get Marner, when we are frankly fine at RW with Strome and Terry, its a LW power forward that we need for the Zegras Terry line to dig pucks and take up the front of the net.

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Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:54 p.m.

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Ducks don’t really need Marner.

Zegras McTavish and Drysdale (Klingeberg too?) are gonna need to get paid soon and we don’t need Marner’s most contract interfering with any of that. If they have left over money, they’d go for someone with a cheaper contract.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 7:57 p.m.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

The Gibson truthers are quite a bunch.

Guy has been below average for quite a while.

Yet he still manages to steal games for Anaheim these past for year as well. Ducks have been vocally happy about having a good relationship with Gibson. He’s still more reliable than a good 50% of the goaltenders in the league. Maybe even more. Not to mention the past 4 years Duck’s defense have been close to last in everything.

Oct. 31, 2022 at 8:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Makes no sense for Anaheim tbh

Nothing ever dose it seems

Oct. 31, 2022 at 8:10 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

So play Murray and saying no to Marner is just hilarious. The Leafs lose this trade but make it for a culture change. You'd be a fool to say no. You keep all your good young players and your first this year and 2 more years of Marner to convince him this team is a cup winner and it may be in near future

Oct. 31, 2022 at 8:17 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

Fill me in, what was this Marner meltdown about?.. lol

Oct. 31, 2022 at 8:26 p.m.

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