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What is Andersons value with 50 percent retention

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 27, 2023
Published: Feb. 27, 2023
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    1. Anderson, Josh ($2,750,000 retained)
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.
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    2nd and a 3rd.
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: DefenseFirst
    2nd and a 3rd.


    good one lol
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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    Probably a 1st + +.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: DefenseFirst
    2nd and a 3rd.

    I was thinking Three 2nds maybe 🤔

    Should have been talking to TBL’s Brisebois prior to yesterday and you might have received an over pay from them, but that ship has sailed
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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    good one lol


    I mean that might be a bit of a stretch, but this a sellers market it looks like. I’m pretty sure they could get that.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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    2nd and b level prospect probably maybe a roster player as well he's just too inconsistent and never played a full season. It really depends on what you think Josh Anderson peak is will he ever hit 50 points in a year?
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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    Using Niederreiter as a comparable, a 2nd. Nino is FAR better defensively, is outscoring Anderson, and has a better contract. I can't see him getting more. I could see him getting as much due to deadline desperation
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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    Its a great question, because it should be very little (maybe even negative), but he has GRIT and HITZ so he has the skillset that GM's overvalue.
    Problem for him is that his contract is large (even ret), and in the present cap situation the guys who get good returns are signed cheaply for term.

    If you can find a guy who really loves him, take back a contract and you can get a decent pick I would think. If you can't I don't imagine you'd like his return
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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    I mean that might be a bit of a stretch, but this a sellers market it looks like. I’m pretty sure they could get that.


    4 more years of a guy at 2.5 Million, who on a good team could score 30. I think he gets quite a lot.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
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    Just a copy/pastefrom another AGM:

    Anderson: a 1st
    12M+ retained: 2x1st

    Total: 3x1st

    In the real world, the price for Hagel was 2x1st.
    In the real world, Toronto paid a high 1st to Carolina so they would pay his $6M capdump.

    If you want to discuss how in the lalaland in your head Anderson iSnT wOrTh AnYtHiNg, go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

    In reality, Hugues publicly stated he doesn't want to retain salary and will gladly keep Anderson if they don't get a 1st + un return. Your opinion doesn't matter.

    Edit: Jeannot got a 1st, 2nd and A prospect + also
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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    Just a copy/pastefrom another AGM:

    Anderson: a 1st
    12M+ retained: 2x1st

    Total: 3x1st

    In the real world, the price for Hagel was 2x1st.
    In the real world, Toronto paid a high 1st to Carolina so they would pay his $6M capdump.

    If you want to discuss how in the lalaland in your head Anderson iSnT wOrTh AnYtHiNg, go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

    In reality, Hugues publicly stated he doesn't want to retain salary and will gladly keep Anderson if they don't get a 1st + un return. Your opinion doesn't matter.

    Edit: Jeannot got a 1st, 2nd and A prospect + also


    Pretty fair breakdown, I agree.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caufield
    4 more years of a guy at 2.5 Million, who on a good team could score 30. I think he gets quite a lot.


    Well, you seem to be doing some rounding.

    It’s not $2.5M

    He’s never scored 30.

    In fact, he’s only scored 20 once. It was a year before anyone had heard of covid.


    Think about what you would want to pay a solid third liner. Ya, $2.75M is reasonable. I just don’t think teams will be throwing assets at that.
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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    What Anderson half retained will get: 1st+b tier prospect

    What Anderson half retained should get: 1 2nd, 1 3rd and 1 4th
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
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    Edited Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.
    Quoting: jpsnow13
    Just a copy/pastefrom another AGM:

    Anderson: a 1st
    12M+ retained: 2x1st

    Total: 3x1st

    In the real world, the price for Hagel was 2x1st.
    In the real world, Toronto paid a high 1st to Carolina so they would pay his $6M capdump.

    If you want to discuss how in the lalaland in your head Anderson iSnT wOrTh AnYtHiNg, go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

    In reality, Hugues publicly stated he doesn't want to retain salary and will gladly keep Anderson if they don't get a 1st + un return. Your opinion doesn't matter.

    Edit: Jeannot got a 1st, 2nd and A prospect + also

    In the Real World Josh Anderson is Over Rated

    Jeannot was a Huge Over Pay, but at least he has a Future. Anderson is Lucic 2.0. Go see how Lucic did after turning 28. Spoiler: Huge Decline

    If you think a 0.40PPG Guy this year, 0.40PPG next year,
    0.33PPG the year after and 0.25PPG the year after that is worth THREE 1sts, the Flames have some players to sell you
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: jpsnow13
    Just a copy/pastefrom another AGM:

    Anderson: a 1st
    12M+ retained: 2x1st

    Total: 3x1st

    In the real world, the price for Hagel was 2x1st.
    In the real world, Toronto paid a high 1st to Carolina so they would pay his $6M capdump.

    If you want to discuss how in the lalaland in your head Anderson iSnT wOrTh AnYtHiNg, go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

    In reality, Hugues publicly stated he doesn't want to retain salary and will gladly keep Anderson if they don't get a 1st + un return. Your opinion doesn't matter.

    Edit: Jeannot got a 1st, 2nd and A prospect + also


    IDK anyone who has the draft capital and would be willing to spend 3 1sts on Anderson
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    Quoting: KingofRnR
    In the Real World Josh Anderson is Over Rated

    Jeannot was a Huge Over Pay, but at least he has a Future. Anderson is Lucic 2.0. Go see how Lucic did after turning 28. Huge Decline


    Another issue with Anderson is that he has the IQ of Homer Simpson
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
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    A draft pick for every goal is the new standard lmao

    It would be quite fun to guess. Its probably a bigger price than we've seen at this TDL for how much cap space is valued.
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
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    If you can find a guy who really loves him


    You just said it. Too many users think of their own team and then propose Josh's value. It takes just one team as we saw with TB. And they are certainly more than 1 that will pay a boatload for him after Hughes already refused a 1st at last TDL.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:15 p.m.
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    IDK anyone who has the draft capital and would be willing to spend 3 1sts on Anderson


    No one said it was all 2023 draft picks, it could be 2 2024 draft picks (so far, it's a pretty awful draft) and a low 2023
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:16 p.m.
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    You just said it. Too many users think of their own team and then propose Josh's value. It takes just one team as we saw with TB. And they are certainly more than 1 that will pay a boatload for him after Hughes already refused a 1st at last TDL.


    I'm not 100% certain that there is. 5x2.75 is a lot for a guy like Anderson at his age.

    Off the top of my head, Holland is probably their best bet for a sucker if he starts to feel pressure.
    Say it looks something like:

    Edmonton Oilers
    JA (50% ret)

    Montreal Canadiens
    pick (1st top 10 protected?)
    Puljujarvi or Foegle (I think it needs to be PJ for cap reasons)
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.
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    I'm not 100% certain that there is. 5x2.75 is a lot for a guy like Anderson at his age.

    Off the top of my head, Holland is probably their best bet for a sucker if he starts to feel pressure.
    Say it looks something like:

    Edmonton Oilers
    JA (50% ret)

    Montreal Canadiens
    pick (1st top 10 protected?)
    Puljujarvi or Foegle (I think it needs to be PJ for cap reasons)


    2.75M is not a lot! You serious? He's 28 as well. I dont know what you mean

    They already refused that offer last year without the retention
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.
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    Bjorkstrand value. 3rd and a 4th.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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    Bjorkstrand value. 3rd and a 4th.


    IDK if that is a good comparison since Bjorkstrand was traded in desperation for cap in the offseason. The only reason Anderson is traded is to get quality draft picks on MTL's end, not to save cap.
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    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caufield
    No one said it was all 2023 draft picks, it could be 2 2024 draft picks (so far, it's a pretty awful draft) and a low 2023


    Again, I don't know any team that 1. wants to spend 3 1st (any draft class) and 2. have enough picks to do it.
    Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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    2.75M is not a lot! You serious? He's 28 as well. I dont know what you mean

    They already refused that offer last year without the retention


    The cap is extremely crunched, and the collapse of the US TV Deal might ruin any cap increases for the forseable future.

    Also, Anderson isn't very good. I'm sorry to have to tell you this. Jeannot (this season) is actually a good comparable and he is younger, and 1.75M cheaper - hence his return
     
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