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Created by: Sabrebluehs

Team: 2023-24 Buffalo Sabres

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 14, 2023

Published: Mar. 15, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

BUF

Additional Details:

Demko becomes available if you take on Myers for one year.

VAN

Olofsson, Victor
2023 2nd round pick (PHI)

BUF

Carrier, Alexandre [RFA Rights]
Saros, Juuse

NSH

Comrie, Eric
Rosén, Isak
2024 1st round pick (BUF)

Buyouts

Christian Ehrhoff: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$83,500,000	$70,502,737	$0	$3,145,000	$12,997,263

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Skinner, Jeff $9,000,000$9,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 4	Thompson, Tage $7,142,857$7,142,857 C UFA - 7	Tuch, Alex $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
	Cozens, Dylan $7,100,000$7,100,000 C, LW UFA - 7	Quinn, Jack $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Greenway, Jordan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Krebs, Peyton $863,333$863,333 ($412,500$412K) C, LW RFA - 1
Mittelstadt, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, C RFA - 1
Peterka, John-Jason $855,833$855,833 ($32,500$32K) LW, RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dahlin, Rasmus $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Lyubushkin, Ilya $687,500$687,500 RD UFA - 1
Bryson, Jacob $1,850,000$1,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Jokiharju, Henri $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD RFA - 1	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka $837,500$837,500 G RFA - 1
Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1		Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 3
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 1		Saros, Juuse $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 2
Samuelsson, Mattias $4,285,714$4,285,714 LD UFA - 7
Power, Owen $916,667$916,667 ($1,850,000$2M) LD/RD UFA - 1

Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:21 p.m.

Julius_Freezer

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VAN laughs their asses off and hangs up on you. Even if you take Myers for one year, you aren't getting Demko without giving up Power or Cozens.

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:23 p.m.

Juiceman

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Canucks aren’t going to use Demko to dump Myers…

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:28 p.m.

sens65

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Both teams decline.

Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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You are gonna get roasted

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:30 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: TheRevanchist17

VAN laughs their asses off and hangs up on you. Even if you take Myers for one year, you aren't getting Demko without giving up Power or Cozens.

That's the funniest thing I ever heard

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:35 p.m.

Prime_Jimbo

VAN

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I'd rather watch Myers continue throwing blind, backhanded passes in front of his own net for another year than see another wing added to the winger abundance in Vancouver.

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.

Julius_Freezer

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

That's the funniest thing I ever heard

nowhere near as funny as you thinking Oloffson and a 2nd is worth a Top 10 goalie in the league lol

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

That's the funniest thing I ever heard

Dude, when Demko is healthy, he is one of the top 7 goalies in the league, Power or Cozens is a MUST, otherwise we aren’t even considering moving him

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:42 p.m.

Julius_Freezer

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

Dude, when Demko is healthy, he is one of the top 7 goalies in the league, Power or Cozens is a MUST, otherwise we aren’t even considering moving him

when he's fully healthy he's top 5

5. Demko
4. Saros
3. Sorokin
2. Shesterkin
1. Vaslievsky

and to be completely honest, when Demko is at his very best, he's the best in the league, I have NEVER seen a goalie play as well as he did in the bubble

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.

#10

BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: TheRevanchist17

I said top 7 because it lowered the chance of being attacked, but I think your list is very accurate, but I see it more in tiers

Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.

#11

remowilliams

Joined: Dec. 2018

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Canucks are not trading Demko any time soon.He is OUR goalie of the future.We have invested alot of time and development into him,were not gonna just trade him.IMHO.

Mar. 15, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.

#12

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

Dude, when Demko is healthy, he is one of the top 7 goalies in the league, Power or Cozens is a MUST, otherwise we aren’t even considering moving him

You wouldn't get power for pettersson.

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.

#13

Bostonbruins

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When was the last time a GK returned significantly more than a first.

Quoting: TheRevanchist17

VAN laughs their asses off and hangs up on you. Even if you take Myers for one year, you aren't getting Demko without giving up Power or Cozens.

Quoting: Juiceman

Canucks aren’t going to use Demko to dump Myers…

Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

I'd rather watch Myers continue throwing blind, backhanded passes in front of his own net for another year than see another wing added to the winger abundance in Vancouver.

Quoting: TheRevanchist17

nowhere near as funny as you thinking Oloffson and a 2nd is worth a Top 10 goalie in the league lol

Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

Dude, when Demko is healthy, he is one of the top 7 goalies in the league, Power or Cozens is a MUST, otherwise we aren’t even considering moving him

Let me start, that is not enough for a healthy 100% Demko.
He has played very well since returning to action but it is a small sample of games.
But let's break down the offer.

Taking on $6,000,000 of cap space has value.
Looking at other cap dumps, it alone has a value of at least a second if not more.
Taking two years of Andrew Ladd $5,500,000 AVV cost the Islanders 2 2nds and a 3rd.
So taking Myers should cost more than a second.

Olofsson alone is worth a bit more than a 2nd.
Then an early 2nd is included.

@Sabrebluehs you may need to add, but TBH it is not a bad offer and needs a little trweeking.
@littlejerryseinfeld

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.

#14

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: TheRevanchist17

nowhere near as funny as you thinking Oloffson and a 2nd is worth a Top 10 goalie in the league lol

Did I say that? Or did I say the original poster was going to get roasted?

Just because their idea was bad doesn't mean yours isn't mind blowingly worse

Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.

#15

mv21227

Joined: Jul. 2020

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

You wouldn't get power for pettersson.

You wouldn’t get Pettersson for Dahlin

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.

#16

BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

You wouldn't get power for pettersson.

HAHA ok so there is no use in arguing with you, a top 7 centre in the world vs a #2-3 D who has limited offensive upside, yes totally

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.

#17

BeautifulIdiot

This team kills me

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Quoting: Bostonbruins

When was the last time a GK returned significantly more than a first.

Let me start, that is not enough for a healthy 100% Demko.
He has played very well since returning to action but it is a small sample of games.
But let's break down the offer.

Taking on $6,000,000 of cap space has value.
Looking at other cap dumps, it alone has a value of at least a second if not more.
Taking two years of Andrew Ladd $5,500,000 AVV cost the Islanders 2 2nds and a 3rd.
So taking Myers should cost more than a second.

Olofsson alone is worth a bit more than a 2nd.
Then an early 2nd is included.

Sabrebluehs you may need to add, but TBH it is not a bad offer and needs a little trweeking.
littlejerryseinfeld

This is a dream contract for Samueli down in ANA, only has to pay 1m and it takes up 6m in cap, he is still a useable defence man so he is a cap dump, but he is a cap dump in the sense of Nate Schmidt but not in the sense of Andrew Ladd, yes he is worse than Schmidt, but he is still a credible 2m, 3rd pair defender

Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

#18

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

HAHA ok so there is no use in arguing with you, a top 7 centre in the world vs a #2-3 D who has limited offensive upside, yes totally

Nothing you said is accurate

Mar. 15, 2023 at 7:55 p.m.

#19

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: mv21227

You wouldn’t get Pettersson for Dahlin

Cool. We're set at center for the next 7 years.

Mar. 15, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.

#20

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

Joined: Jun. 2021

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Quoting: Bostonbruins

When was the last time a GK returned significantly more than a first.

Now answer this: When was the last time a player was traded despite the team not wanting to trade them, and the player not wanting to be traded? Canucks have no incentive to trade Demko and Demko doesn't even want to leave so it is going to cost more than market value to pry him from Vancouver

Let me start, that is not enough for a healthy 100% Demko.
He has played very well since returning to action but it is a small sample of games.
But let's break down the offer.

Taking on $6,000,000 of cap space has value.
Looking at other cap dumps, it alone has a value of at least a second if not more.
Taking two years of Andrew Ladd $5,500,000 AVV cost the Islanders 2 2nds and a 3rd.
So taking Myers should cost more than a second.

Olofsson alone is worth a bit more than a 2nd.
Then an early 2nd is included.

Sabrebluehs you may need to add, but TBH it is not a bad offer and needs a little trweeking.
littlejerryseinfeld

Mar. 15, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.

#21

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Nothing you said is accurate

Pettersson is a better asset than anybody on the Sabres. Don't even pretend that Power is on the same level as Pettersson

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

#22

DongLord23

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

Dude, when Demko is healthy, he is one of the top 7 goalies in the league, Power or Cozens is a MUST, otherwise we aren’t even considering moving him

You'd have to add multiple 1sts with Demko to get either Cozens or Power

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 8:24 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Some crazy takes in this thread.
1. Initial trade is really bad for Vancouver, that's not up for debate.
2. If players like Byfield was off the table for Eichel, Demko would absolutely not return Power or Cozens.
3. Demko is a great goalie when he's on his game, top 7 is pretty debatable. Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, Sorokin, Saros, Hellebuyck and Ullmark are all certainly better right now. There is absolutely an argument for Oettinger. Then there is also an argument for Lehner, Markstrom, Skinner, and maybe even Vejmelka.
4. Pettersson is not a top 7 center, McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Draisaitl, Point, Bergeron, and Barkov, and Hughes are all absolutely better.

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Mar. 15, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.

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BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

1. Yes
2. Fair but Buffalo was in the market to move Eichel, somewhere that the canucks are not at with demko
3. I have Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin in the top tier then Demko, Sorokin, Saros, Hellebuyck, Ullmark, Oettinger all in the same 2nd tier, then those last guys all in a 3rd tier. But I think that he would fall into that top 7 category
4. Pettersson is a top 7 centre I have 1. McDavid, (Large Gap) 2. MacKinnon, 3. Matthews, 4. Draisaitl, (another large gap) 5.Aho 6.Pettersson, 7.Point, 8.Thompson, 9. Barkov, 10.Hughes, (honourable mentions because of their careers and longevity) 11.Crosby, 12.Bergeron

Mar. 15, 2023 at 11:47 p.m.

#25

BeautifulIdiot

This team kills me

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Quoting: DongLord23

You'd have to add multiple 1sts with Demko to get either Cozens or Power

Looks like they arent dance partners, it would have to be more than worth it for the canucks if they are going to move on a goalie as good as Demko

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