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Montreal accelerates rebuild

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 26, 2023
Published: Mar. 26, 2023
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  2. Armia, Joel
  3. Dvorak, Christian
  4. Edmundson, Joel
  5. Hoffman, Mike
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  2. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:32 p.m.
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Unlikely Montreal trades their 1st or that the Jets consider swapping 1sts, unless there is someone they really like at 5.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Unlikely Montreal trades their 1st or that the Jets consider swapping 1sts, unless there is someone they really like at 5.


Hughes has already said he would focus as much on trades as the draft and that if a deal similar to Dach came up that he would consider moving either of his firsts to make it happen. The benefit to the Jets is that any player they select at 5th has the potential to be as good or better than PLD and they are not getting a better 1st for PLD from any team at the TDL. This is a win-win for both sides
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Unlikely Montreal trades their 1st or that the Jets consider swapping 1sts, unless there is someone they really like at 5.


Will smith or Oliver Moore jets love the USA ndtp
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:41 p.m.
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Will smith or Oliver Moore jets love the USA ndtp


Yeah, if they are really high on one of them I could see it working. Not that Montreal would trade their first though.
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.
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I don't think you should trade a top-5 pick in this draft, even for PLD. This roster is still not very good.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Too bold for my liking, but could be a logical continuation of any plan to accelerate the rebuild.

Wouldn't give up 5th overall (outside of ridiculous scenarios).
Wouldn't risk 13th overall on Hart (or any goalie really).
Too much for Caufield (below Suzuki in AAV at least).

Don't mind the acquisitions so much as the opportunity cost of trying to take "shortcuts".
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Hughes has already said he would focus as much on trades as the draft and that if a deal similar to Dach came up that he would consider moving either of his firsts to make it happen. The benefit to the Jets is that any player they select at 5th has the potential to be as good or better than PLD and they are not getting a better 1st for PLD from any team at the TDL. This is a win-win for both sides


Props for originality and not beating the dead horse, sleepy chevy may struggle with it, not enough safety net for the win, but interesting none the less, I would pull the trigger and keep the kid that is all ready suiting up in Winnipeg with the ice Benson, and let the chaos of draft day begin, would want to find a spot to get danielson also mid teens.
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Hughes has already said he would focus as much on trades as the draft and that if a deal similar to Dach came up that he would consider moving either of his firsts to make it happen. The benefit to the Jets is that any player they select at 5th has the potential to be as good or better than PLD and they are not getting a better 1st for PLD from any team at the TDL. This is a win-win for both sides


It's not really a win-win. Montreal gets the sure thing, young 1C. The Jets only get a mystery box that, playing the odds, would be a unlikely to become as good as PLD. Dubois is a pretty hefty price to pay to move up 15 spots.
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:52 p.m.
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when did an accelerated rebuild ever work??
Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:59 p.m.
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when did an accelerated rebuild ever work??


There is a first time for everything!!!
Mar. 27, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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when did an accelerated rebuild ever work??


There is a first time for everything!!!
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
It's not really a win-win. Montreal gets the sure thing, young 1C. The Jets only get a mystery box that, playing the odds, would be a unlikely to become as good as PLD. Dubois is a pretty hefty price to pay to move up 15 spots.


Might be a boat in that mystery box though...
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 5:03 a.m.
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It is going to take more than that to get Hart.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Yeah, if they are really high on one of them I could see it working. Not that Montreal would trade their first though.


Projected 60+ point player (3rd best ranking possible)
Top 6 player his low end is 2nd line Winger with high end 2nd line Center or 1st line player.
While he's not a clear cut slam dunk top 6 Center in the NHL pre draft he has up to 4 years in NCAA where he will be top 6 Center gaining experience.
Assuming he develops atleast 2 years i see no reason why he cant jump into a top 6 Center role with the support of Ehlers from Wing

He's got so much potential that Michkov isnt a lock for a top 4 spot at this point despite Michkov clearly being 1/2 Elite Level Players beside Bedard.
The rest of the draft is Dubois or Schiefele level or lower in terms of Quality , which is still Good Enough to make NHL teams consider taking him over Michkov(assuming he goes behind Bedard, Fantilli & Carlsson)
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:52 a.m.
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It's not really a win-win. Montreal gets the sure thing, young 1C. The Jets only get a mystery box that, playing the odds, would be a unlikely to become as good as PLD. Dubois is a pretty hefty price to pay to move up 15 spots.


To be fair , we were getting him anyways
He'll be a pending UFA after you sign him to your 1 year deal this summer
He doesnt want to be there and this is a clear case of Chevy crapping the bed like Bergavin did Pacioretty.
Now to his credit MB's Longshots all panned out so he looked competent but he lost a lot of value in waiting too long .

While WPG may get a balance of Quantity and Quality , it wont be how you want as it will come the same way we got Suzuki .
Personally i fire Chevy and let a new GM handle all this because im convinced PLD would re-sign if WPG would actually build around him like they did Schiefele.
Chevy wont do that but the right GM coming in could change everything for WPG making this whole debate a moot point
Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:57 a.m.
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Too bold for my liking, but could be a logical continuation of any plan to accelerate the rebuild.

Wouldn't give up 5th overall (outside of ridiculous scenarios).
Wouldn't risk 13th overall on Hart (or any goalie really).
Too much for Caufield (below Suzuki in AAV at least).

Don't mind the acquisitions so much as the opportunity cost of trying to take "shortcuts".


I would in the right trade
PLD who's basically a pending UFA as he wont re-sign in WPG under Chevy
That with a longshot prospect like Mysak with top 6 upside but lowside is AHL Call up due to lack of willingness to play in the dirt area's .
Well maybe thats harsh, He's made the attempt to adjust in Laval to if but finding the balance between shooting and playing defensive hockey while adjusting to small ice has been rough for him as a rookie.

if the 5th OA and Mysak doesnt get him , i wouldnt bother.
We lose nothing in waiting except the chance to earn favor in hopes he'll take a bit of a discount knowing what MTL paid
Mar. 27, 2023 at 8:48 a.m.
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The Ghosts of the OLD Montreal Forum will come and haunt you for that Winnipeg trade. LOL!!!!
Mar. 27, 2023 at 9:39 a.m.
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To be fair , we were getting him anyways
He'll be a pending UFA after you sign him to your 1 year deal this summer
He doesnt want to be there and this is a clear case of Chevy crapping the bed like Bergavin did Pacioretty.
Now to his credit MB's Longshots all panned out so he looked competent but he lost a lot of value in waiting too long .

While WPG may get a balance of Quantity and Quality , it wont be how you want as it will come the same way we got Suzuki .
Personally i fire Chevy and let a new GM handle all this because im convinced PLD would re-sign if WPG would actually build around him like they did Schiefele.
Chevy wont do that but the right GM coming in could change everything for WPG making this whole debate a moot point


To be fair. Playing the odds says it's a longshot Dubois ever plays in Montreal, other than with another team, anytime before he's on the last year or two of his career. It's unlikely Winnipeg signs him to a deal that takes him to UFA, they just trade him to one of the teams where he is willing to extend, so they won't be stuck taking subpar offers from Montreal.

He wants to win and can get a big dollar contract with teams that are actual contenders and play in nice weather states. I just don't see him throwing away his prime earning and playing years in Montreal, when they are still 4 or 5 years away from being a bubble team.

I mean, if something happens to change what PLD wants then I guess it could be a possibility that we could discuss when it happens. But with the amount of interest there will be in Dubois and him wanting to win above all else, Montreal won't be a player.
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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Will smith or Oliver Moore jets love the USA ndtp


That and the NCAA
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.
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Will smith or Oliver Moore jets love the USA ndtp


Chris Rock > Will Smith

(sorry, I couldn't resist)
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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To be fair. Playing the odds says it's a longshot Dubois ever plays in Montreal, other than with another team, anytime before he's on the last year or two of his career. It's unlikely Winnipeg signs him to a deal that takes him to UFA, they just trade him to one of the teams where he is willing to extend, so they won't be stuck taking subpar offers from Montreal.

He wants to win and can get a big dollar contract with teams that are actual contenders and play in nice weather states. I just don't see him throwing away his prime earning and playing years in Montreal, when they are still 4 or 5 years away from being a bubble team.

I mean, if something happens to change what PLD wants then I guess it could be a possibility that we could discuss when it happens. But with the amount of interest there will be in Dubois and him wanting to win above all else, Montreal won't be a player.


WOW this is such a troll comment, Hughes already said they are looking to be contenders not just a playoff team in 2-3 years and there was an article ranking the rebuilding teams closest to contending and Montreal ranked 2nd on that list behind only Columbus. They ranked the teams based on 5 categories (number of core/building block players on the roster, depth of prospect pool, number of 1st round picks in the next 3 drafts, number of 2nd round picks in the next 3 drafts, and right coach and GM to lead the team to contention) Columbus stats are 5 core players, 6th best prospect pool, 4 1sts, 8 2nds and yes they have the right coach and GM. Montreal stats are 5 core players, 12th best prospect pool, 5 1sts, 6 2nds and yes they also have the right coach and GM to lead them. 3rd is Arizona with stats of 3 core players, 8th best prospect pool, 4 1sts, 18 2nds and the right coach and GM.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rebuild-rankings-teams-closest-to-contending/
Mar. 27, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
It's not really a win-win. Montreal gets the sure thing, young 1C. The Jets only get a mystery box that, playing the odds, would be a unlikely to become as good as PLD. Dubois is a pretty hefty price to pay to move up 15 spots.

Well, you've got a sure thing, too -- DuBois is leaving for Montreal. If you don't move him in the summer, your chances of getting at least a similar deal at the trade deadline are non-existent.

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There is a first time for everything!!!

This is bold and imaginative. I like the Winnipeg and Los Angeles ideas.

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https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rebuild-rankings-teams-closest-to-contending/

Thanks for the link to this article. I found it very informative and agree with the analysis almost uniformly.
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.
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WOW this is such a troll comment, Hughes already said they are looking to be contenders not just a playoff team in 2-3 years and there was an article ranking the rebuilding teams closest to contending and Montreal ranked 2nd on that list behind only Columbus. They ranked the teams based on 5 categories (number of core/building block players on the roster, depth of prospect pool, number of 1st round picks in the next 3 drafts, number of 2nd round picks in the next 3 drafts, and right coach and GM to lead the team to contention) Columbus stats are 5 core players, 6th best prospect pool, 4 1sts, 8 2nds and yes they have the right coach and GM. Montreal stats are 5 core players, 12th best prospect pool, 5 1sts, 6 2nds and yes they also have the right coach and GM to lead them. 3rd is Arizona with stats of 3 core players, 8th best prospect pool, 4 1sts, 18 2nds and the right coach and GM.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rebuild-rankings-teams-closest-to-contending/


Don’t bother. Windjammer is NOTORIOUSLY known as the biggest homer on this site.

dissect his words. dubois is “wasting his prime years playing in montreal” …??
You mean, playing in his home province, close to family? 💀

What is he doing in a cold, grey, lifeless winnipeg then?
Montreal has one of the better prospect pools in the league. To say they are “4-5 years out” is criminal.
He needs to get out of his little winnipeg media fantasy. no idea where he even comes up with this stuff.
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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To be fair. Playing the odds says it's a longshot Dubois ever plays in Montreal, other than with another team, anytime before he's on the last year or two of his career. It's unlikely Winnipeg signs him to a deal that takes him to UFA, they just trade him to one of the teams where he is willing to extend, so they won't be stuck taking subpar offers from Montreal.

He wants to win and can get a big dollar contract with teams that are actual contenders and play in nice weather states. I just don't see him throwing away his prime earning and playing years in Montreal, when they are still 4 or 5 years away from being a bubble team.

I mean, if something happens to change what PLD wants then I guess it could be a possibility that we could discuss when it happens. But with the amount of interest there will be in Dubois and him wanting to win above all else, Montreal won't be a player.


"Trade him to a team where he'll extend"
you mean.. in montreal..? tears of joy

Throwing away his prime years... playing in his home province..? Close to family..? For his childhood team...? What?

Where do you even get half of the things you say. You can't be convinced that you're right..? There's no way you're real
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Well, you've got a sure thing, too -- DuBois is leaving for Montreal. If you don't move him in the summer, your chances of getting at least a similar deal at the trade deadline are non-existent.


This is bold and imaginative. I like the Winnipeg and Los Angeles ideas.


Thanks for the link to this article. I found it very informative and agree with the analysis almost uniformly.


Yeah, it's extremely unlikely he goes to Montreal. A lot would depend on who that player is at #5. Depending on what the scouts think of that guy and the direction the Jets take this summer, it may be better to just trade Dubois for the standard 1st, roster player/prospect and pick/prospect, keeping their 1st. PLD can't leave for Montreal unless the Jets let him, so that isn't a worry.

It's just too hard to make a call on that now, with all the variables there are.
 
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