Even as ****ty as Toronto is, I don't think they take on a 6 mil cap hit to only move up what, 7 spots?

you referring to the Murray trade? It's like 4.6mill and they did basically the same trade last year with Mrazek on the same term and he's worse than Murray

Did forget that there's some contract retention, but the best ability is availability.

Washington isn’t going to trade for Mitch Marner at $10M, no thanks and that’s a dramatic overpayment.

Depends if they want to try for the cup or not, pretty good guy to play with Ovechkin+help the PK and no that's not an overpayment for a 100 point selke nominee with 2 years left vs 1 year left. If anything it's a bit light.

Hawks needed a goalie then, they don’t anymore.

Did you just say the Capitals could compete for the Cup with Marner? Yeah that worked so well for the Leafs. Capitals politely decline and keep their pick, time to start looking to the future and absolutely no reason to pay anyone $10M. Look at the Leafs. Having a bunch of Skill Forwards making over $10M is not how winning teams are built.

I agree the caps should look to the future, but it seems at least with the moves they have made they are looking to retool and run with Ovechkin again rather than rebuild. This fits...not saying they will win or anything and it would probably need another move or 2 to actually be competitive realistically. I don't see them winning, but I could see them making a move like this.

I would also argue that Marner is a better fit on the Caps than the Leafs anyways, likewise Wilson is a better fit on the Leafs than the Caps. Leafs have small skill forwards in abundance, the caps don't.

My mistake actually I thought Mrazek was done...forgot how horrible that contract was, rip that deal. I would just do a similar deal with another team where it's a better fit.

You seem to be completely ignoring the Salary Cap. The Capitals do not need any skilled Wingers making $10M. In that case the Capitals should re-sign Wilson and spend the difference in salary on a DMan.

Caps pass. I love Marner but Caps are most likely getting Michkov with their pick and Wilson is a unicorn.

This isn't a Caps team this is a Leafs team. Obviously the Caps would have to make more moves...and really they should make more moves. Or better yet, they don't do the trade and trade Wilson + more for futures. However, I see them trying to retool and try again with Ovi based on some of the moves they have made recently.

Most appropriately based on all the comments from the Capitals themselves they plan on building around Ovi AND Wilson.

If that's actually their plan that's wild. They can't do a rebuild around them in that case, so it's a retool. Not sure how they can make that team competitive. Will be an interesting offseason for them if they follow through with that plan.

All you're doing here is making the team slower and the Capitals A LOT better. Probably a little counterintuitive if you're in a wildcard chase.

Yeah a bit slower true, but a better playoff team. They aren't a wild card team now, or with this team imo. They look to be a 2 or 3 in the division with this roster in my opinion with better odds of going deep assuming they don't have some catastrophic injury issues.

At least they won something once, what’s the Leafs plan? They’re going to have to lose some trades to shed salary or they’re out of luck. Tavares is getting older and his contract getting worse, how do they improve the team that they’re not going to be able to keep together already?

Caps only have 7 mil in cap space next season, this deal would eat basically all of that, and they wouldn't even be able to fill out a 20 man roster afterwards.

If Marber to the Caps, Toronto needs to take back 9+ in cap. Didn't Kuznetsov want out of Washington?

Blackhawks decline. Counter: Instead of the CHI 2nd round pick, they offer NYR 2nd round pick.

Tavares is the only player they would 'lose a trade' on because of salary and he's not going anywhere due to his NMC. If they trade Nylander they are getting great value for a 40 goal scorer under 7 mill. If they trade Marner they should get great value for a 100 pt selke nominee that's just getting better every year with 2 years left. If they trade Matthews they should get great value for a guy who is money in the bank for at least 40, plus a hart&ted lindsay, 2 rockets, etc. Marner, Matthews, and Nylander all get more than they are getting now on the open market as UFAs.

This team is just what I think would more reasonably happen as a general direction to improve the balance of the team. I would personally hit the reset button and trade at least Matthews and Marner. The goal would be to get very good young players that are more hard nosed and futures, then some guy to make the cap work out for a year or whatever is needed. Nylander could wait until the trade deadline since he only has a M-NTC on July 1...maybe they keep him maybe not. There is a world where Matthews and Marner are gone and they are still a competitive team in the playoffs. Their problem recently has always been balance, even with Tavares/Nylander/maybe O'Reilly they would have enough star power with what they get back from trades + free agency to compete.

That's just not an argument the cap difference isn't that egregious given their space and this trade doesn't stop them from making another move or 2 or whatever they want. We all know they are multiple moves away from a reasonable retool, or rebuild.

Fair value for Marner for sure. I don't think the caps can give up both Wilson and 8OA.

Assuming another cap strapped team is going to add ~6 million in cap in one trade is also unreasonable. Toronto is going to have to take more cap back to move Marner to a competitor.

Yes but Chicago doesn’t need any more goalies

Just not reading the comments here I guess