My vote for the worst trade on this post: Saros Nashville trade

Reason: you're not even giving Nashville anything of value for a top 5 goalie

Who knew nick robertson has the value of 2 first round picks

even your title suggests you realize this is trash...

The Arizona and Carolina trades are absolute brutal for those two teams.

1. Overpayment from Carolina for Nylander
2. Not enough for Matthews. Matthews has more goals than anyone in the league since entering. He averages over 50 goals per 82 games.
3. Not nearly enough for Marner. Lindholm has averaged 56 point during his career. Marner is a 99 point Selke finalist.
4. Why would Toronto retain that much and give up a pick when a buyout is cheaper? Math.
5. Goalies are voodoo. Saros had the same save % as Samsonov and couldn’t even lead his team to the playoffs. It’s a huge risk investing in any goalie nowadays.

Wings will take Murray for Toronto’s 1st and Detroit adds a 3rd at best.

You took the Leafs from a top-5 regular season team to a wildcard team. Congratulations. I could see the Leafs making a winger trade, no chance they move Matthews and no chance they trade their three best players in one offseason.

Or if Treliving does that, during the press conference he tears off his suit to reveal his Montreal jersey and he's secretly been working for them the entire time

So bad for NSH. Just unbelievably bad for all the other teams tbh

How can say it's not enough for Matthews? Keller had 37 goals and 86 points on his poor Arizona tea, and is on a great five year contract. Plus all the other assets, Arizona added. Matthews is a UFA at the end of the season. And please no nonsensical talk about Arizona resign him. Next summer 32 teams can sign Matthews.

With respect to #5) it turns out hockey is a team sport. Saros cant go out there and score goals. Nashville was 28th in goals for per game and 27th in shots against per game. An extra goal here or there is all it wouldve taken for nashville to get into the playoffs. Toronto scored 55 more goals on the season than Nashville did.

I would also add Saros has had an incredibly stable sv% across his career with .914 sv% being as bad as it gets across 7 seasons. No matter how terrible the team infront of him has been. Id personally say he is probably a good gamble.

Carolina says no. Makes a big hole in the line up for a slight upgrade at forward. Let alone adding a second. I don't think Carolina trades anyone from the line up to upgrade.
That's a ridiculous trade for Arizona to even consider. Matthews walks after next season with the uncertainty. Keller is a stud on a good contract and you want them to retain for 5 years? Let alone adding Cooley, #6 overall this year and a second next year.
Calgary trade makes a big hole in their line up, they can't do that.
Detroit accepts without question.
Don't see Nashville doing that.

Red Wings ain't need retention. Bump up the pick and remove retention.

Nashville passes big time.

One year of Matthews isn't getting Clayton Keller at 50% for the next 5 years talk about being delusional.

Make the Murray trade with no retention, And the Boston 28th overall pick for Vancouver's 43rd overall pick and it's a deal.

Tough to say. I mean Brobovsky couldn’t be given away in April. Aiden Hill was Vegas third string and easily acquirable. Vasi at 9.5 played like a back up in the playoffs. I’d pay for a consistent star but Saros and .919 isn’t really star caliber. He also had Josi, McDonaugh and Ekholm in front of him most of the season..

It goes without saying that Arizona does not do this deal without an extension. That said, Matthews is a 6 foot 3 200+ pound center that has led ALL NHL players in goals since entering the league. He has averaged OVER 50 goals per 82 games since entering the league. He led ALL forwards in blocked shots. He’s an excellent faceoff man. He was 8th in the league in takeaways. All this in 74 games. He struggled through a wrist injury this year and still put up a better PPG than Keller. So Keller is awesome at 86 points in 82 games and Matthews is meh with 85 points in 74 games while battling an injury.

Keller is Nylander caliber not Matthews. Matthews is a top 5 player in the league and you don’t trade those. He’s a franchise center and you don’t trade those.

Sorry, you've just confirmed how silly the post, when you say it's an extension. So let's get this scenario right , the Leafs tell Matthews, "Hurry up and sign a contract because we want your ass outta town and trade you to Arizona. And if you don't agree to an extension, you are welcome back as a Leaf for another playoff run." Yea that's going to happen. Matthews would have no interest in playing for such a stripped down lousy team as Arizona. And really Matthews has no motivation to play to play in what me the what is the worse professional sports team of North America of the top four leagues.

I've been doing a lot of thinking about Marner to CGY lately, and I just don't see him waiving his NMC... Especially after watching Huberdeau's production plummet last year. He would also be a very hard fit cap-wise, and he's unlikely to stay if he has a down year.

Silly is your lack of understanding. I didn’t propose the trade but obviously Arizona isn’t trading for him unless he wants to sign long term, ala Tkachuk. Please, lets refrain from having do discuss this like 5 year olds. I would never trade Matthews. Again, I didn’t propose it and I don’t think Arizona has the assets unless they unload all their good players. So how do you say it? NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS.

Matthews is 25, Keller 24. Matthews is 22 ALL-TIME in PPG NHL CAREER LEADERS. Where do you get another player like that. Keller is a nice player. Matthews is a HOF’er. He has stated he wants to sign and an extension will get done. He can’t sign until July 1st. Shanahan has said he won’t be traded but here we are pretending Keller is half the player Matthews is.

Well first don't believe what an executive/coach/player says in public. Do you really think Shanahan would say, "Matthews IS being traded. Do you really think Matthews would say publicly, " I don't want to resign with the Leafs." Please don't be so naive. Even if both are honest in their statements, things change, things happen, and really there is no reason to Matthews to resign with the Leafs over other options he might want to explore next summer.
Yeah, the trade proposed won't happen in a million years because Arizona wouldn't do for a one year rental. Yes, the Leafs would love the trade for a on year rental of Matthews.

Stop. Do you really think you know better than what Matthews and Shanahan do. You don’t. And yes, Shanahan IS a man of his word. Stop playing silly childish games.

Matthews won the Hart and Lindsay last year. He has 2 Rockets. In 2019/20 Keller had 44 points — Matthews had 47 goals in the same number of games. In 2020/21 Keller had 35 points — Matthews had 41 goals. In 2021/22 Keller had 63 points — Matthews had 60 goals. Matthews is leagues above Keller. The Leafs do not need another small winger.

Deals happen, extensions are signed — see Tkachuk, Fiala etc. Again, no idiot makes that deal without an extension. Stop pretending Matthews and Shanahan are lying to everyone and you know it all.

And at the end he had almost none of those and played just as well.

Over the past 3 season, 31 goalies have played 120+ games. Saros has a sv% of .919 over those games. Thats 4th for that goalie group and the best has a .924. If you dont think, .919 is star caliber i dont know what to tell you. Samsonov is .908 which is 18th over that time.

Bobrovsky is .905 over that time which is 21st. Couple that with his age 34 and his contract 10M per for 3 more years and you can see why he would be considered toxic. Itll be interesting if he can be traded now in the offseason but a 16 team no trade list and that contract will likely stop that

He’s very very good, don’t get me wrong. I just have a hard time paying for any goalie except for maybe Shesterkin or Vasi but even they lost in the first roumd. I thought Ottenger was the real deal but he was pulled a lot. Gone are the days of Dominic Hasek where you probably weren’t scoring and he was in the other teams head. Goalies just aren’t dominating like Tim Thomas and others did. Vasi did but something changed in his game this year.

Vasi has been surrounded by a very good team. I dont want to take anything away from him because he has done amazing. I think for him it might be workload. Previous 3 seasons he has played about 80 games (including playoff games) each year. Add that with the shorter offseasons due to being in the finals year after year, the team losing veteran cogs year after year (McDonagh etc).

Agreed. It does make it tough to bank on any goalie. Maybe Vegas has it right — sign 12 and hope 1 works out. Even Florida, Bobrovsky was the world’s worst contract and Alex Lyons started the first 3 games of the playoffs. So even Paul Maurice had no faith in him until they were down and out.

Marner doesnt have to waive anything. He can be traded anywhere prior to July 1