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(WSH / NJD) - 2018 2nd & 3rd round pick for Johansson

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Jul 2 at 8:20 pm
#1
A trade between Washington Capitals and New Jersey Devils has been confirmed.
Washington Capitals
2018 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick
New Jersey Devils
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Jul 2 at 8:22 pm
#2
rangersandislesfan
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,983
I am reading this everywhere but it could be fake news, as WSH would never be stupid enough to do this.
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Jul 2 at 8:28 pm
#3
NateElder12
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 3,207
Guess you get robbed when you back yourself into a corner
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Jul 2 at 8:28 pm
#4
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 538
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
I am reading this everywhere but it could be fake news, as WSH would never be stupid enough to do this.


They don't have an option. Back themselves into a corner with the Cap.

If they were smart, they would have let Oshie walk.
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Jul 2 at 8:30 pm
#5
rangersandislesfan
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,983
Just checking: Did this seriously just happen or is my brain not working?
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Jul 2 at 8:30 pm
#6
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 538
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Just checking: Did this seriously just happen or is my brain not working?


Confirmed by NBC Sports on Twitter
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Jul 2 at 8:50 pm
#7
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 122
The salary cap effectively redistributing talent. New Jersey may actually have a pretty nice set of forwards now.
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Jul 2 at 8:51 pm
#8
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 23
Big win for NJ on a salary dump by a desperate Washington team.
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Jul 2 at 8:56 pm
#9
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 5,985
What a fleece

Washington trades two 2nds for Eller (Eller!) yet let's Mjo go for a 2nd and a 3rd...what's wrong with this picture
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Jul 2 at 9:02 pm
#10
Wild girl
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,287
Edited Jul 2 at 9:02 pm
Damn... that's all they got? I knew they needed to dump salary, but this is ridiculous.

Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Just checking: Did this seriously just happen or is my brain not working?


What's the difference either way?
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Jul 2 at 9:07 pm
#11
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 5,985
Quoting: Snobalt
Damn... that's all they got? I knew they needed to dump salary, but this is ridiculous.

Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Just checking: Did this seriously just happen or is my brain not working?


What's the difference either way?

Haha you beat me to the punch to say that
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Jul 2 at 9:13 pm
#12
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 538
Quoting: DavidBooth7
What a fleece

Washington trades two 2nds for Eller (Eller!) yet let's Mjo go for a 2nd and a 3rd...what's wrong with this picture


Yepp... And they aren't done yet. Still don't have the cap to resign Bura/Grubauer and field a full roster.
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Jul 2 at 9:16 pm
#13
rangersandislesfan
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,983
Quoting: DavidBooth7
What a fleece

Washington trades two 2nds for Eller (Eller!) yet let's Mjo go for a 2nd and a 3rd...what's wrong with this picture


you're right, it's like trading Johansson and a 2nd for Eller and a 3rd. Yeah, a top line player + for a 4th liner.
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Jul 2 at 11:12 pm
#14
Avs fan
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 10
Easy win for new jersey. Great player went for a very cheap return
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Jul 3 at 1:34 am
#15
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 293
Devils need forwards so they might as well get this guy who is a lot better than probably anybody they could sign left on the market. There was a time thought this guy had a bit more upside... Maybe being on a new team without any pressure to win a Cup will help him get his game going again. Devils had a few players who were down/out that did well there... Look how great Clarkson did on NJ compared to when he left ;).
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Jul 3 at 9:35 am
#16
MR.STAT
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,116
WSH now sits with $9,239,893 in cap space, likely to be used on Burakovsky and Grubauer.
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Jul 3 at 6:16 pm
#17
Wild girl
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,287
Quoting: DavidBooth7
Quoting: Snobalt
Damn... that's all they got? I knew they needed to dump salary, but this is ridiculous.



What's the difference either way?

Haha you beat me to the punch to say that


😘
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Jul 9 at 7:23 pm
#18
Devils fanalytik
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 3
Ray Shero is smart guy and his building plan is long-term thing, we have to be patient. (we-fans Devils).
Johansson is great fit for our roster, top6 LW/C for 2nd and 3rd round picks is huge steal.

We need top6 RW a top4 D, yet and I think Shero will be active and will make another move.
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Jul 9 at 8:02 pm
#19
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 293
Quoting: MartyS
Ray Shero is smart guy and his building plan is long-term thing, we have to be patient. (we-fans Devils).
Johansson is great fit for our roster, top6 LW/C for 2nd and 3rd round picks is huge steal.

We need top6 RW a top4 D, yet and I think Shero will be active and will make another move.


You got Mirco Mueller or so from Sharks on a decent deal before Expansion Draft who ended up protecting... He could pan out to be a Top 4 D, Sharks had high hopes for him being another Vlasic or some sorta impact player there. I thought it was a bit odd they bought out Smith Pelly, wasn't surprised they bought out Cammy smile...
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Jul 9 at 9:15 pm
#20
rangersandislesfan
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,983
How are there even options for fair deal and for washington capitals? this one doesn't need a poll.
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Jul 10 at 12:59 am
#21
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 293
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
How are there even options for fair deal and for washington capitals? this one doesn't need a poll.


We could all be wrong the herd is rarely right so will know eventually smile. ONce enough people vote for it its harder for a person to go against the grain smile. I seen many trades everybody thought was good at the time not pan out for the team expected ;).
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Jul 11 at 12:00 pm
#22
Sam Hinkie
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 5,614
Quoting: Daoloth
Quoting: rangersandislesfan
How are there even options for fair deal and for washington capitals? this one doesn't need a poll.


We could all be wrong the herd is rarely right so will know eventually smile. ONce enough people vote for it its harder for a person to go against the grain smile. I seen many trades everybody thought was good at the time not pan out for the team expected ;).


I'll go against the grain.

HERO Chart : Eller : 22 (TOI 5) ; 4.4 per 1 TOI
HERO Chars : Johanssen : 24 (TOI 6) ; 4 per 1 TOI

CF% rel : Eller : 3.1
CF% rel : Johanssen : 2.1
FF% rel : Eller : 2.6
FF% rel : Johanssen : 2.4
PDO : Eller : 102.0
PDO Johnassen : 103.6
TKGV (take aways - give aways) : Eller : -1.0
TKGV (take aways - gave aways) : Johanssen : -8.0
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Jul 11 at 7:12 pm
#23
Caps, Leafs, Sharks
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 3,067
My issue with this trade (coming from a die hard Caps fan) is that Brian Maclellan saw MOJO as being more expendable than Brooks Orpik. Any contract in the NHL is tradable. Dave Bolland, who is $5 million in dead weight for a long time, got traded with a sweetner. We could've offered a sweetner. We have a ton of good defense prospects, plus Vitek Vanecek (good goalie prospect who's expendable because of Samsonov). That should've been enough to move two years of Orpik who can still contribute. If leadership is the issue, Brian Campbell is still sitting as a UFA. We can save the MOJO money there.
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Jul 12 at 2:16 am
#24
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 5,985
Quoting: krakowitz
My issue with this trade (coming from a die hard Caps fan) is that Brian Maclellan saw MOJO as being more expendable than Brooks Orpik. Any contract in the NHL is tradable. Dave Bolland, who is $5 million in dead weight for a long time, got traded with a sweetner. We could've offered a sweetner. We have a ton of good defense prospects, plus Vitek Vanecek (good goalie prospect who's expendable because of Samsonov). That should've been enough to move two years of Orpik who can still contribute. If leadership is the issue, Brian Campbell is still sitting as a UFA. We can save the MOJO money there.

A team like New Jersey would also gladly take Orpik with the sweetener attached. This is a move that's gonna hurt them in the short and long run. They lose a top 6 forward who can help them win now and in the future if they're still able to, and moving Orpik woulda let someone else take his place. That person would probably be better than the pylon, so heck yea it's worth giving up a quality prospect to get rid of Orpik. Quite a shame GMBM didn't do so...pretty desperate move
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Jul 12 at 12:30 pm
#25
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 122
Quoting: phillyjabroni
Quoting: Daoloth


We could all be wrong the herd is rarely right so will know eventually smile. ONce enough people vote for it its harder for a person to go against the grain smile. I seen many trades everybody thought was good at the time not pan out for the team expected ;).


I'll go against the grain.

HERO Chart : Eller : 22 (TOI 5) ; 4.4 per 1 TOI
HERO Chars : Johanssen : 24 (TOI 6) ; 4 per 1 TOI

CF% rel : Eller : 3.1
CF% rel : Johanssen : 2.1
FF% rel : Eller : 2.6
FF% rel : Johanssen : 2.4
PDO : Eller : 102.0
PDO Johnassen : 103.6
TKGV (take aways - give aways) : Eller : -1.0
TKGV (take aways - gave aways) : Johanssen : -8.0


Keep in mind that Johansson's career shooting percentage is 13.8% compared to Eller's 10%. While that doesn't necessarily mean that Johansson is a better player than Eller, it does mean that he is going to score more goals pretty much every year given equal situations. Further, Eller has been played in fewer minutes and marginally weaker competition. Finally, Johanssen, if nothing else, has a much better scoring reputation than Eller, so he should have garnered a better return just from that.

While the deal is closer than most people (including myself) thought at first, it's still too little for a solid middle-six player.
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