5 day break, Treliving just cleared up 1.5 mill in more cap space, incoming trade?

I would welcome a move on the blue line

PPG among dmen, 2023-24

1. _________
2. Cale Makar
3. Quinn Hughes
4. Victor Hedman
5. Adam Fox

Without looking, can you guess who is #1?

first guess is Hronek

Its Martin Marincin will also take MacDonald

Assuming there’s no minimum GP requirement I’m guessing it’s Nemec

He is # 9.



Um. Nope.



Correct

PPG among dmen, 2023-24

1. Simon Nemec
2. Cale Makar
3. Quinn Hughes
4. Victor Hedman
5. Adam Fox

Spencer Martin in today for Columbus. Usually Merzlikins gets 3-4 games in a row before Martin fills in; based on the "normal" deployment I had Martin coming in 12/7 vs NYIslanders (road game) as the 1st half of the B2B. Could be trade-related.

With Tarasov already with 1 successful game under his belt on AHL conditioning stint the timing could be soon (if it's going to happen at all)

After seeing Tyson Barrie's card this year idk if anyone trades for him without NSH adding a sweetener and serious retention

Wow is that bad lul

Like 4.5m for that hell nah

Jacob MacDonald, defenceman turned the next great power forward at 30, playing PP - gets his 4th goal in under 10 games.

In over 100 games of being a defenceman he had 3 goals, now has passed his career total, now becoming the Sharks Sniper/ Power Play Specialist.

So bizarre but I’m here for it.

He was used as a forward sometimes in Colorado too. Him and MacDermid were both slotted in at whatever position they needed based on injuries

good to see him having more offensive success though

Sharks look pretty good…

Granlund going coast to coast in the final 6.4 seconds and gettin through everybody for a dangerous chance was awesome, would have been unreal if he buried it.

Guys been playing up to his value/ OG Granlund.

Words been growing that the Sharks may keep Duclair.

Going to be interesting to see what they do with their roster/ TDL.

I haven't seen him as a difference maker, but was interested in him as a 3rd line RW with his speed. At his age (28) though it just feels like he is a gatekeeper for the Sharks prospects so not sure the value in extending him for the Sharks; unless there just is no market for him to return a decent prospect or pick.

I've noticed a lot of good character development surrounding this CBJ team in the weeks gone by, the most prevalent and stabilizing of which being that we're not immediately keeling over and dying when we give up 2 early goals (or a goal within the first minute)

Under Larsen (and to a lesser extent in the last year under Torts) if we gave up two goals in 7 minutes like we did against Ottawa last Friday, everything would have just shut down and we'd lose 5-1 or something, but we fought back and won. We're actually making some progress, as much as those in the HFBoards community don't think so.

I've tried to catch a few of the CBJ games when I can to watch Fantilli. What I do see that would give me hope as a fan is that Werenski, Lowry, and Jenner seem to be "lead from the front" type of leaders that refuse to backdown for anything or anyone; or allow themselves to make excuses. There are times where you can clearly see that the Jackets are outclassed skill-wise but they fight hard. With Gaudreau playing better and the Russian line providing a nice change of pace; they just need someone else on the blueline to step up. If the D can activate regularly without committing blunders then they could be more consistent. It seems like their transition game is the part that is choppy and a solid 2nd pair will help with that. Not sold on Provorov unless he has a real steady partner (same MO as in Philly).

I’m pretty sure I’ve even stated in this thread resigning Duclair is a trap for Grier. However, if it’s 4-5 years it’s not the worst at under a 4m aav.

The rational is he’s been doing a lot more interviews and there’s been more internal locker room talk coming out.
Mainstream headline is obviously he’s a great teammate and well liked by the Sharks staff and players. He also has personally called Zetterlund, Bordeleau, and Eklund “his sons/ kids” direct quote from recent post games, as its come out they all clicked during camp and have become close. And he’s a professional athlete with personality - and also vocal about issues and a HDA athlete.


Zetterlund has really clicked, like when I discussed earlier this year with @NHLFAN10506 that Zetterlund was a top 3-4 MVP for the Sharks, he’s now only behind Blackwood imo. Zetterlund looks like a real big piece for the Sharks future. Eklund has tailed off and I think he’s not playing bad but he’s struggling to click the way Zetterlund has so Eklunds development is monumental, and if Duclair helps Eklund move from just being good to clicking better then Zetterlund: that’s incredibly valuable.

Internally/ locker room wise - I don’t think the Sharks will allow Duclair to be traded if there’s a notion of a fair deal without being over 5 years, unless there’s a large return. So if we go off the general consensus Duclair will be around a 3rd - 2nd + maybe a prospect; I don’t think Grier trades him if there’s a deal in the works. It’ll likely cost more than a 2nd if this is the case.

He’s quite a valuable player for insight/ youth development due to his career and resume (injuries, comeback/ work ethic, multiple teams etc). I think this would result in the Sharks not accepting a lowball/ “fair” deal.

Ferraro also being on the table, reportedly being a high expense/ expensive trade could also be interesting to follow. If it’s true.

Good to know. Not being in the market those are things that are not obvious; appreciate your insight!

No problem - just going off the reports from actual experts and piecing together an opinion!

I edited my comment and added this”
Zetterlund has really clicked, like when I discussed earlier this year with @NHLFAN10506 that Zetterlund was a top 3-4 MVP for the Sharks, he’s now only behind Blackwood imo. Zetterlund looks like a real big piece for the Sharks future. Eklund has tailed off and I think he’s not playing bad but he’s struggling to click the way Zetterlund has so Eklunds development is monumental, and if Duclair helps Eklund move from just being good to clicking better then Zetterlund: that’s incredibly valuable.“ similar to how Tuch/ Okposo are invaluable to Buffalo and more valuable as a locker room guy then a trade/ their AAV.

Which is why I say the value would probably be a first/ expensive. If the youth attributes some of their success to Duclair I can’t see Grier causing locker room issues for a 2nd in value. He’s clearly had an impact with Zetterlund, so has Granlund. If we can get Eklund as confident as Zetterlund (and if he can get some luck) - it’ll be huge. Eklund also just needs a tad more weight on his bones to add some confidence. He’s playing with grit and heart but he’s still “weak”.

And with Bordeleaus transition to wing, and huge success recently in the AHL since that change, Duclair only helps mentor a 3rd winger (Bords, Zetter, Eklund).

There's also precedent for the Sharks to not go full nuclear on their roster. It took Edmonton another half-decade after drafting McDavid to start regularly making the playoffs. Arizona and Buffalo, one could argue, still haven't recovered from completely gutting their rosters.

Los Angeles, New York, and Toronto to an extent left pieces from their previous cores in tact (Toronto shed theirs gradually instead of asap) and rebounded much, much quicker than the three teams I mentioned at the onset. Some luck may have been involved for the Rangers but all three teams are contending today while Edmonton, Arizona, and Buffalo aren't. Actual NHL players, and quality ones at that need to be around to help bring the prospects along. The Sharks don't have a world-beater in Duclair but he's a functional middle-six piece. Moving Couture and Hertl, despite how attractive moving them may be, is probably a detrimental move right now.

ZetterGOAT > Meier confirmed ?????

In all honesty, I'm real happy for Zetterlund in that he's settled well into his new environment (much more so than Meier anyways).
Will always be rooting for Zetterlund, regardless of who he plays for. He's a helluva hockey player and I think the Devils are missing him a ton with the way guys like Nosek, Tierney and Bastian have underperformed to the degree that they have.

Elliotte has said Carolina - among a handful of other teams took a run at Ferraro to acquire him, and are still looking at a deal. He’s said this has caused more teams to check in.

Other night he said Ferraro would be quite expensive, and personally I say we can use Hronek as a comparison in trade value (1st + 2nd) - however you could argue Ferraro could see a first and a high prospect due to the:

- 3m AAV
- Signed through this year, next year, and the year after
- being a defence/ block first player who’s regularly logged over 20min before on a bad team

Either way they are different players. Hronek was more of a producer, with no term. Ferraro has term and is cheap but isn’t going to slap up 40-50 points. I’d expect Grier is looking at an equal value to Hronek.

My guess is Grier is looking at Morrow and a first from Carolina which is why the deal obviously hasn’t been done yet. With more teams calling, it will be interesting.

My opinion is that Toronto could do something crazy.

Ferraro and Chris Tanev (2.25 retained by CGY, 1.125 retained by SJS). The 3 way deal they wanted to get done with Tanev and Zadorov which didn’t cross the line, could be done with the SJS and CGY. San Jose would be able to give Thrun or Shakir NHL playing time as a result.



The new future in Toronto having a D core of:

Rielly - Brodie (quality top pair)
Ferraro - Tanev (shutdown pair)
McCabe - Lili (rewarding 3rd pair)
Gio
Laegy

And I would bet Toronto would throw up both their firsts and maybe Topi to get the deal across the finish line. They resign Brodie for hopefully cheap and try to see if Tanev takes a team friendly deal. Could be the D line Toronto needs to win a cup.

Where is this interest in Ferraro coming from?

By all accounts and metrics he's a fringe top-four option, even if you do him a favour and look at the rel stats. He had a really good rookie season and hasn't been half as good since.

He’s really found his game. And it isn’t like he’s looking like a world beater or on some crazy bender-it’s been consistent and the guy he’s been praised to be; and it’s paying off with hard work and creating his own chances/ luck. Meier should be able to find his game in NJ, Zetterlund took some time to click. And NJD as a whole team have a weird year. I wouldn’t be worried.

I have no idea, it’s kind of odd because Elliotte could be spouting nonsense but he’s not a Marc Spector type of guy lol. Jokes aside Elliotte isn’t a guy who hard core lies. He’s trustworthy and it’s pretty interesting because if you’re San Jose, your logjam on LD - solved by acquiring a ransom for Ferraro is almost a best case and allows you do develop Thrun and play Shakir more in the AHL top pair.

He said it would be expensive and other teams are starting to join the “bids”. I wouldn’t see Grier trading Mario for less than a 1st so it’s bizarre the conversation is actually being had that the “expensive cost” isn’t being scoffed and conversations are being had.

I think San Jose as a whole has been bad so analytics don’t help their cases for trades and it’s going to come down to subjective opinion and pro scouts.