Win for Boston

We used analytics for 5 years under Dubas, where did it take us?

I wonder whether Flames fans would rather have kept Treliving or are happy with Conroy

Funny how when its the Leafs, its always a bad trade according to the comments...

Agree with or not, Treliving has a vision of how he wants the defence to look/play.

Seems puzzling, but then it becomes clear in the playoffs. Dude plays a playoff style. Simple as that.

If the numbers lined up, I would agree with you, but the Analytics for Edmundson are terrible, almost as bad as Ilya's. Look at any SC Winner and their analytics will be elite.

I mean a big defensive dman is nice, just wondering how he’ll slot into the lineup?

I think it was a bit much to give up though

Toronto sure likes to waste roster spots on slow, injury-prone, mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers from Manitoba

5 Playoff appearances

"Look at any SC winner and their analytics will be elite" is such a broad statement. Which aspects are you looking at specifically? Or is everything about previous SC winners perfect.

There's more to the game the JFresh's player cards.

You show me a team that was bad analytically that won the Stanley Cup and I will concur. Jfresh's cards are outdated, there are better models to use btw. Corse %. Fenwick %, really any half decent stat.

Underwhelming for Leafs fans

Treliving chose bottom pairing Ds for their cup run. They do play a heavy-playoff-style game, but still

Think about it this way though:

Engvall + 6th round pick for Edmundson. The third we got for Engvall is going to WSH

Would you still make this trade?

I got to say, I'm not digging the Leafs moves thus far. They didn't really overpay or anything for Eddy or Bush for that matter but man they better have something more pertinent in the works. Eddy/Bush cannot be your solution defensively.

They're gonna get eaten alive.

Yeah I mean I’m fine with the deal, I just don’t think this is gonna improve us drastically in the post season

Big Ed can play the right side. It would be a good move IF he could stay healthy. That's a big IF.

Those player cards have actually ruined hockey twitter. Everyone who uses them acts like such a know-it-all

It may not be ground breaking but are you more comfortable to play Edmundson in the playoffs or Timmins?

Not in the playoffs though.............

BRAAAAAAAAD, MAKE AN ACTUAL MOVE

They aren't perfect, and since he started doing them over a 3 year timeframe, they are pretty much un-usable, but they're a basic tool to look at to determine how the player looks if you don't watch him play live, I am not one of those people. I watch A LOT of hockey (and that is an understatement). Edmundson is someone who stands out every night, and not in a positive way.

Ah, you make a point and I'm supposed to provide the proof. Good one.

The truth is every club uses analytics. They just use completely different stats that are proprietary to the clubs or whoever they contract out to do their stats. They also don't simply look at the analytics to evaluate players.
It's hysterical how the internet-analytics crowd thinks all this works because some guy made a card with no context.

More on topic, Edmundson is a warrior. Great add for a playoff club. Obviously he isn't going to eat 23 minutes a night anymore, but if you're the coach late in a tie-game in the playoffs do you want to send Edmundson out for that faceoff in your zone or Lilly? Easy choice, imo.
More raw talent means precisely zero in the postseason. You're going to get worn down in these series and use a lot of defensemen. Ideally you'd like to wear the other team down, too. That's why these type of defensemen always get "too much" at the deadline.

Fair deal but I don't see how Edmundson and Lyubushkin are the answer to the Leafs' problems

Because you doubted that proof without any real proof. Make an argument with facts and I will take what you say seriously.

How many series did the analytic crowd win?