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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
Thread: another try at the cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>Way overpay for Hellebuyck.
Bishop and Kuemper would be good comps. Neither went for more than a single good prospect or 1st round pick. So, a fair trade would be:
2024 1st + DeSmith + 4th for Hellebuyck and retention.</div></div>

I don’t think Kumper has ever won, nor been nominated for the vezina.

Bishop was nominated once but had never won a vezina trophy when he was traded.

Helle would be the best and most proven goalie traded since Ryan Miller or Patrick Roy. The bidding war for his services as the final piece for a cup win amongst the Pens, Sabres, Devils, Oilers, Kings, Sens, wings will return a 1st plus a blue chip prospect. At a minimum. We can retain and take back a goalie contract as a dump further increasing the return if needed.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread: Draft pick ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Davidson</b></div><div>I’m not certain how his development is going, and you have a fair point about the assets involved. I would be interested in Lambert due to his connections with other hawks prospects and was just throwing something out there. I’m not sure about the direction of the Jets, and would appreciate your thoughts so I can better Taylor a proposal for him.</div></div>

I think they try to stay competitive but start building for the next core.

Took a look at the hawks and would require Sam Rinzel+ to consider moving Lambert. In addition to Rinzel add ask for Reichel, bolts 1st this year, Dach and then Greene, probably in that order.

The focus would be rhd with size and top 4 potential and then a C with top 6 potential.

Lambert’s upside is so immense I’d rather we keep him though.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
Thread: 23-24 WPG Jets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SKWPG</b></div><div>Perfetti is still an unknown and is small and squishy. The Jets need more grit.

Ullmark has shown that he needs to have someone to spare him off, especially in the playoffs.

KFC is American and is a top winger that AZ can build around. The Jets may also throw in a 1st round prospect, a top 6 D and a back up goalie to get Vejmelka and Schmaltz.

Seriously... you want to keep Chevy who does nothing and keeps the Jets in the middle forever. Okay... have fun with that. I'm tired of watching the Jets sit around the middle.</div></div>

So instead you crash them to the bottom forever?

Ulmark needs someone to switch off with… like a Swayman?

You think Schmaltz is better than kfc??? Rittich is a UFA… his rights are worth nothing. Then you add a blue chip prospect in Lucius as well??? Given the cash that schmaltz is owed the return on him will be low.

Perfetti was a top 10 pick scoring at an above 60 point pace in his rookie season…. Starting to think you may not know what you’re talking about here….

Finally yes, I would rather make the playoffs every year just like Chevy has done. Giving away big pieces of the future in Perfetti and Lucius to get worse and adding a dman that can fight when we have a better one in Bauer makes no sense.

You’re entitled to your vision but I think this is a poorly thought out AGM.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.
Thread: Helly trades
I was thinking about doing something similar with Helle options but I think you missed a couple teams here and I think the ask would be different.

Missed Pittsburgh and they are one of the most likely landing spots as they try to cash in on the Crosby Malkin twilight. Helle &amp; Heinola for 14oa and Pickering.

For Buffalo I think we’d want 13oa, ostlund and then we’d take Comrie back.

Devils may make the most sense and Helle to the Devils is really easy to market. I think we’d need to add significantly to get Nemec, which I would but maybe Vanacek &amp; Holtz could be had.

For Ottawa I’d want Ridley Greig and 2024 1st. I think they want to keep Stutzle, Norris and Pinto as their Cs so Greig could be expendable.

Kings are another option where I’d be looking to add to get Clarke, but would be a long shot like Nemec. Taking back a massive multi year cap dump in Peterson would also cost a significant piece.

Oilers could be another option with Skinner getting pulled every second game in the playoffs.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16, 2023 at 11:13 p.m.
Thread: Jets Big Retool
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tintin</b></div><div>There are three comps with varying returns for the Jets trading Hellebuyck:
- Cory Schneider, at two years remaining of his deal at the time got the Canucks #9 overall.
- Kuemper (50% retention), rental goalie for a cup run got the Yotes a 1st rd pick and 2nd/3rd tier level prospect.
- Fleury, reigning vezina winner dealt to the Blackhawks for future considerations

This indicates that it will be very difficult to trade a world top 5 goalie for anything close to what you're suggesting.
Nemec is probably the best currently drafted prospect in the world, these guys are never traded.

As for Scheifele, I agree that he's good but Mercer is at least as good as him at this point in time, if not better already. Mercer will certainly be the better player between the two come October and, unlike Scheifele, he's under team control for the foreseeable future whereas Scheifele is a rental.
The only thing dealing Mercer for Scheifele accomplishes is getting a whole lotta older and setting 2m worth of cap space on fire.</div></div>

I think the closest thing to a comp is when Miller got traded from Buffalo as a rental.

They got a goalie back (Halak), a 1st, a 3rd the following year, Stewart (former 18 oa pick that was a 50 point winger at that point) and carrier (was a recent 2nd round pick)

So if we wanted to mirror that return it would be Vanacek, 2024 1st, 2024 3rd, Casey as the recent 2nd round pick and then Sharangovich.

Given the bidding war, I’d want to consolidate into less pieces of higher value.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
Thread: Goalie trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RV23</b></div><div>I understand the draft pick. And if I could do better than ‘25 I would. Im just under the impression the ‘24 pick can’t be moved unfortunately until the conditions of the Timo trade aren’t made (making 2024 ECF). Seamus Casey is a very legit prospect, but maybe Winnipeg values a center or wing. I don’t know your needs over there. We do have a high level talent from Russia (Arseni Gritsyuk), but I know hearing the word Russia makes some run for the hills lol.</div></div>

In my view from this retool the top priority is figuring out how to get a rhd prospect with top pair potential. Then a distant 2nd is figuring out our top 6 c position going forward. We have internal options like Perfetti, Lambert, Lucius, Zhilkin but none of them are proven.

Graeme Clarke would be another name I’d be interested in. He’s probably near nhl ready as a bottom 6 rw option?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.
Thread: Goalie trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>I'm pretty sure the depth chart after Bucky is basically nothing, so if they are going to trade him, I would imagine Vanacek, Blackwood, and a conditional second that becomes a first if you make the ECF and Bucky plays over 50% of the games in the playoffs would be something they would consider.

Gives them a younger, decent tandem to go forward with while they redraft a team.</div></div>

We actually think we have our goalie of the future in Dom. Was a 7th round pick last year but was ohl goaltender of the year this year. Need a 2 year bridge to him though so Vanacek could be park of the return as devils need to shed that salary. We could even retain 50% on Helle to make the move cap neutral this year.

25 1st isn’t really that appealing so I’d rather give that back, with the retention to upgrade the prospect from Casey. With Hamilton, Marino and Casey long term on the right side, I’d also want to talk about if we could add to get Nemec? We add Ehlers, 50% retained for 2 years to Helle 50% retained for this year and DeMelo as a bridge to Casey…. I can try to put together an actual offer I think could work but the reality is if we got a third team involved to eat 50% of Dillon’s contract…. Could be a massive trade that works out for both teams…. Would require Nemec though…. So…?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9, 2023 at 11:12 p.m.
Thread: A different approach - trading up and deadline rentals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>Scheifele is extremely overrated in my book. Just another Kuz, good offensively (though not as good as Kuz) and terrible defensively. Already 30 too. Caps don't need centers, they need top end young wingers. Maybe if you replaced him with Ehlers but even then I wouldn't. Stanley has terrible analytics plus Caps are loaded at defense, especially on the left side. Iorio looks like a lock to be top 4 and Mantha is great if used properly, they'll see what the new coach does with him.</div></div>

Don’t really need iorio, especially if that’s the deal breaker. Longer term I’d be looking at Reinbacher, salomonsson and then Bauer to handle the fisticuffs. I really like iorio so was trying to nab him as part of the deal but I’d still do it without him.

At a $3m caphit that gives you one more loaded run with ovi. If rebuilding now maybe it doesn’t make as much sense.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 9, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
Thread: A different approach - trading up and deadline rentals
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Savage27</b></div><div>Connor &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; those picks

Monahan could be had for 3 mil

Habs wont trade down for PLD but would likely offer FL pick+</div></div>

I agree that Connor is worth more bit all these trades I tried to take less or give more than I thought was needed but not by a crazy amount, except for the UFA contracts as overpays would be required to get them to sign here and then we could retain on one more trade at the deadline for a premium asset.

Florida pick looking in the 28-32 range so basically a second rounder. You’d get better dealing him at the deadline or to a team like Carolina or Colorado that could finish worse than top 4.

The idea for the trade back is with pld, Suzuki, Dach, Beck Habs likely go wing and if they like Benson at 5 he probably would still be there at 9 if we take a C and then Reinbacher.