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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 25, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
Thread: Plausible Move
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>13th overall for kasperi kapanen? No no no my friend. Drop that pick by about 30 spots, then you’re talking.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Not a chance, this year’s draft is hella deep</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Joke of an opinion, eh? Did we hurt your feelings?
Anyhow, lets just forget about zucker being the much better player, and goal scorer, and just get down to the trade terms your talking about.
What was at the time perceived to be a late first, a late second, and a cap dump for zucker. Orrrrrr the 13th overall for kapanen.
Bit different, dont ya think, bud?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07 </b></div><div>Just because JR makes dumb moves doesn’t justifies value for others to do the same</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leaflet</b></div><div>Kapanen is a 22oa pick with proven NHL potential. So the trade for a 13oa isn't that far off. It's not like I was proposing to trade 40yo Marleau for the 13oa pick; that would be sick.

Plus, Kapanen has a history with the Canes. His father had a good stint in Carolina, in a competitive team. He's good omen for them.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Okay, so you don’t think a package of what was thought to be a late first, a late second, and a cap dump is different than the 13th overall? Really?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>It’s insanely far off. You want ritchie for kapanen? Ritchie was the 10th overall pick. You should have to sweeten the pot!</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shifttee</b></div><div>this made me LOL</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>And yet you’re the one that thinks kapanen is worth the 13th overall. Not one single person that isn’t a leafs fan will agree with you.</div></div>

<strong>LMAO ... Kapanen was literally just traded to Pittsburgh for:</strong>

- 2020 1st round pick (15th overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander - who is developing nicely)
- Evan Rodrigues (expiring RFA centermen)

<strong>Does anyone want to apologize or am I just farting in the wind?</strong>

Maybe <strong>Bcarlo25</strong> wants to?

- "13th overall for kasperi kapanen? No no no my friend. Drop that pick by about 30 spots, then you’re talking"
- "And yet you’re the one that thinks kapanen is worth the 13th overall. Not one single will agree with you"
- "Bit different, dont ya think, bud? Oh did we hurt your feelings there bud?"

<strong>Well I guess someone agreed with me ... Ouch</strong>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2020 at 11:37 p.m.
Thread: Fire Dubas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>You can certainly do a lot worse with GM's. Take it from a fan who saw Fenton trade Nino for Rask, Coyle for Donato and a very late pick, and while Fiala for Granlund looks like a home run trade for us, at the time Granny was a 2-time 60+ point winger and Fiala had not had a single season scoring more than 48 points and was coming off a major leg injury. Oh and he signed Zuccarello to a $30M deal over 5 years and gave him a NMC. Toronto fans of all fan bases should know it could be <em>a lot</em> worse.

Dubas managed to keep 3 supremely talented forwards and signed a #1 center in free agency which almost never happens in the NHL. Does he have more work to do? Certainly, but he's not as bad of a GM as some fans on here make him out to be.</div></div>

Dubas in general has only been gm for 3 years and while one of his trades (kadri) wasnt that great due to Babcocks interference he has done alot of good for this team. His FA signings and ability to grab overseas talent is amazing. His ability to find steals in later rounds of the draft (Robertson) is solid. Only other issue is his contracts of Matthews and Marner being bad. But he has improved as shown with the engvall and holl contracts.

I say give him a year or two and now that he knows the issue he should make moves to help improve our blue line or just help our team in general become more defensive without sacrificing to much of the offense.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2020 at 10:17 p.m.
Thread: Plausible Move
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Not a chance, this year’s draft is hella deep</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>13th overall for kasperi kapanen? No no no my friend. Drop that pick by about 30 spots, then you’re talking.</div></div>

Such a joke of a opinion though ....

<strong>Pittsburgh just traded this for Zucker: </strong>

- 1st round pick
- 2nd round pick
- Alex Galchenyuk

<strong>Jason Zucker is currently:</strong>

- A 28 year old borderline top-six forward
- A .53 point per game player over his career
- A 43 point per 82 game player over his career
- Signed at $5,500,000 x 4 years (after his prime)
- Not young enough to expect any improvement

<strong>Kaspari Kapanen is currently:</strong>

- A 23 year old borderline top-six forward
- A .55 point per game player over 2 full seasons
- A 45 point per 82 game player over 2 full seasons
- Signed at $3,200,000 x 3 years (entering his prime)
- Young enough to expect measurable improvement
- Already a penalty killer than Zucker (defender too)
- Still an RFA when his contract expires

<strong>I'll even digress and say Zucker slightly better today ... Kapanen:</strong>

- Is much younger (4.5 years)
- Is much cheaper ($2.3 million)
- Has much more potential to improve.
- Has much less age related regression risk.
- Should easily surpass Zucker during their deals.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2020 at 12:15 a.m.