Jimmy Vesey is worth no more than a 3rd

Buffalo already traded a 3rd round pick for Vesey a week before NYR signed him! And with two years left on Vesey's contract at only 50% $1,137,000, it's a perfect fit for Buffalo to right away lock him up long term with an extension starting in 2020-2021.

Why would we trade a 1st plus the prospect we got in the ROR deal for a very small upgrade at winger?

It's a no thanks from the Avs as well.

So many of the Ranger trades, truly overvalue Ranger players. For expiring contracts just look at past history. Most Zuccharello trades are laughable. This one, Bennett has TWICE the goals that Zuccharello has this year, is cheaper and has term. And you want the Flames to add in a first also. The Zibanebad trade might be undervalue a Ranger return. 3,5 years of a NHL centre might return more to a team that needs a centre.

yes and no to some of this.
Bennet has yet to get more than 36 points in a season, Zucc has had every full season with over 49 points.
Zucc has 13 points in 23 games this year, bennet has 12 in 36.
Zucc with half retained is 300k more expensive than bennet -- you are making it seem like its a few million.
You say Rangers fans overvalue zuccarello, I say you don't know how to gauge players. Considering zucc has hit 55+ points in 4 of his 5 seasons so far, he has much more value than bennett who has only had 26 each of the last two years at a max of 39. To put that in perspective, he has been outperformed by Vesey both years. In fact, Vesey has over 1.5x the amt of goals as Bennett so by your math we could just swap out vesey and zucc in this deal and it would be fair (exactly, it wouldn't be as vesey isn't worth essentially a direct swap of a player plus a first rounder).
Bennet is in the last year of his contract, but is an rfa i will give you that. But a swap of a 50+ point player for a 25+ point player is worth a first rounder for a playoff push.

The return on Zibanejad is not what it needs to be. If we give him up we need a top defensive prospect for the right side. Timmins or Makar would be the asking price with negotiations taking place to add to either side. Look at the haul colorado got for duchene (who was a 50-60 point center at the time of his trade). Similar term and cap hit (with the adv. going to zib for both of those) so why treat colorado differently. Zibanejad is currently on pace for 68 points in 82 games (he currently has 30 in 36 so 30/36= .833 x 82= 68.33; very close to duchenes top season at 70 points in 2013-14)


Aside from all of this, you can only retain salaries on i think only 3 players (maybe 2 i'm not 100%) and you have 5 here. Thats an overpayment for Vesey, he's maybe worth a 2nd rounder to a contending team, maybe with a c prospect considering the return we got for grabner last year. I would do Vesey for Thompson and a 3rd tho, that's not a horrible deal for either team.

I like hayes but I dont like hayes that much

Take out Donato and Studnicka and we will consider it.

The Bruins wouldn't likely touch Kevin Hayes especially for that price. We already got to expirence Kevin's older brother Jimmy and he was the biggest turd the teams had in a number of years. He made Loui Eriksson look like Jesus on skates. The fact that Kevin is related to Jimmy means the Bruins shouldn't even consider him. For that price the team could probably get Mark Stone who's a much better player and is not a risk.

donato would need to be included with the 1st to get a shot at hayes.
All the trades seem pretty fair, for ziba there must be a top prospect in timmins or maker coming our way otherwise nyr wont move a stellar 1st line center with a great contract at only 5.3m for another 3 years. But the vesey deal is very bad he has good numbers 5v5 but he is not worth a 1st a 2nd and maybe mediocre prospect or 2nd and 3rd. The best return i can see nyr getting off him is 2 seconds and thats at the deadline to a desperate team.

This comment is ridiculous. So if you were being offered eric staal in his prime but because you had jared staal on your team and he didnt do anything you would pass?

lol i would take out one of them but hayes is worth way more than a late first round pick. 15 points in his last 8 game, 28 points in his last 24 and literally controls the game. PPL mentioning his brother for a comparable is an insult, it's like comparing hayes to mcdavid they aren't even in the same realm

Take out the sabres first and thompson and replace it with a second and youre in the ballpark. Our gm doesnt seem like the guy to throw firsts around, and the prospect in a deal he soundly lost wont get moved either, is my guess.

Nope. I’d do 1st and Heinen max. I’d look elsewhere first though. Can’t re-sign him. Too much for someone i know will only be a rental and is going to play 3rd line for us. I can find that cheaper.

yeah idk if the rangers would do that but I get the lack of a fit for him with Boston. He can play the wing and may be an upgrade for the second line there but fair enough if you'd prefer to get a 3rd liner cheaper-- i wouldn't blame you if thats where he falls on bostons depth chart

Need a RW. Top 6 center and LW is set. He’d be nice insurance policy to have if injuries strike. But an expensive one and it would prevent us from doing anything else unless we found a way out from Backes.

honestly i was surprised by you rather including heinen than studnicka. Heinen had a good year last year but i know he's having a rough time this year

makes sense thats why im feeling hayes will end up in colorado or winnipeg or potentionally a wild card team that has the cap to resign him if comes to.

No way, but Eric was the older brother and Jared was never any good. The point was Jimmy Hayes was decent before he came to Boston, but then crapped his pants in Boston where he's from, so his brother who would also be a hometown kid has the potential to do the same. It's a different situation than the Staal's by a long shot and Jared was never any good so it'd never make any sense to compare him to his brothers. Jimmy Hayes was coming off a Career year in which he netted 19 goals, this season is Kevin's best season. Theres a lot more lines connecting here than just the fact they are brothers and it also incorporates the fact that Boston purchased a rental from the Rangers last year in Rick Nash and he wasn't very good and then got hurt, so the team got screwed over in that deal. They paid a high price for him which was what the Rangers negotiated so I don't see the team doing this when all the factors are added in. Theres just too much potential that Kevin Poops his pants in Boston because Jimmy didn't handle the pressure well.

By the way you're spelling of "ridiculas" is indeed completely ridiculous.

They are pretty high on Studnicka. Might be the best center prospect in the org. Have to many LH wings to find room for. Marchy on 1st, Debrusk on 2nd. Leaves Donato, Heinen, Bjork fighting for spots. Nice luxury. Cehlarik would be in the NHL on most teams already, Fitzgerald and Hughes aren’t far behind. Makes Heinen expendable if it’s a move that makes sense and creates better balance.

sorry auto corrected and jimmy was always a top 9 and he had 1 decent year in boston before boston fell out and went into a short rebuild it happens and then they ruined his career. This is a player having a career year on a draft pick team and is almost point per game which is not commonly heard of. Doesnt matter if he doesnt look like he will fetch a 1st and more in your eyes this is what his value is currently and only continues to go up. Also it was known nash hasnt been solid in years yet boston was sold on the name alone and nyr reaped the rewards.

I like Zibanejad but they are not getting 4 solid assets for him while having to take on a healthy scratch level dman on the Avs in McQuaid. Massive overpayment yet Rangers fans will call you a troll if you dont agree with their over valuing of their players

I would disagree on the Zib return, Kaut is the real deal, which is on full display at the WJC right now. Adding in a 1st and 2 other solid prospects who are NHL ready. I dont think hats a very good piece of business for the Avs. Zibanejad is a very good player and probably would demand some sort of First, Good prospect and young NHLer, just not from the Avs especially with Kaut. Team is weak on Winger depth in the org right now so trading away your Top 2 winger prospects for a C which Avs have too many on the roster currently. Doesn't make sense

Clearly you don't know the history of Boston and the Hayes family. There is some very strong bad blood between the family and the organization. It was the Hayes family that convinced Vesey not to sign with the team he dreamed about playing for as a kid. Kevin won't re-sign with Boston anyone trading for him is buying high on him. The guy is having a career year and those are guys I tend to avoid.