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Dumba plus for Marner

Created by: Trickster
Initial Creation Date: Nov 5, 2019
Published: Nov 5, 2019 at 6:21
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I proposed the Wild trade in another ACGM and didnt get shot by Wild posters so giving this a go.

Top 8 protection on the pick OR the pick is another 1st rounder acquired via another trade.

Not sure on lines as I did this fairly quickly.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Abramov, Mikhail4$900,000
Dzierkals, Martins4$900,000
Kokkonen, Mikko4$900,000
Koster, Mike4$900,000
Räsänen, Eemeli4$900,000
Stotts, Riley4$900,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis3$3,000,000
Georgiev, Alexandar3$1,250,000
Åberg, Pontus2$900,000
Brooks, Adam2$900,000
Engvall, Pierre2$900,000
Gauthier, Frédérik2$900,000
Kivihalme, Teemu2$900,000
Marchment, Mason2$900,000
Timashov, Dmytro2$900,000
Mikheyev, Ilya3$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hamonic, Travis4$5,000,000
Holl, Justin2$700,000
Shore, Nick2$800,000
Domingue, Louis2$800,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
NYR
  1. Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Zucker, Jason
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Hyman, Zach
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
MIN
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,178,866$0$400,000$1,321,134
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$3,000,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$900,000
LW
RFA
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$900,000
C
RFA
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Hamonic, Travis
$5,000,000
RD
UFA
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$3,000,000
LD
RFA
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
Georgiev, Alexandar
$1,250,000
G
RFA
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$800,000
C
UFA
TOR
Holl, Justin
$700,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3

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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:22
#1
BuFfaLoFan
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If that 1st was a 2022nd that's decent value trade.
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:23
#2
Isles777
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That’s a big overpay for marner
Nov 5, 2019 at 6:23
#3
Bcarlo25
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Dumba plus? Dumba plus is like Dumba plus a second. This is dumba and major assets. I think this is way too much. Honestly, Dumba for Marner straight up is pretty fair. Marner probably has a smidge more on ice value, but his contract is far bigger.
Nov 5, 2019 at 6:28
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Quoting: Isles777
That’s a big overpay for marner


Quoting: Bcarlo25
Dumba plus? Dumba plus is like Dumba plus a second. This is dumba and major assets. I think this is way too much. Honestly, Dumba for Marner straight up is pretty fair. Marner probably has a smidge more on ice value, but his contract is far bigger.


This and this
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:37
#5
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Dumba plus? Dumba plus is like Dumba plus a second. This is dumba and major assets. I think this is way too much. Honestly, Dumba for Marner straight up is pretty fair. Marner probably has a smidge more on ice value, but his contract is far bigger.


I was talking to @tansor and @MNBassman and I feel they have good idea of Wild situation more.

So will stay with my idea for now.
Nov 5, 2019 at 6:38
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:42
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:44
#8
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Trickster
I was talking to @tansor and @MNBassman and I feel they have good idea of Wild situation more.

So will stay with my idea for now.


Fair enough. It’s still horrific value.
Nov 5, 2019 at 6:46
#9
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Trickster
I was talking to @tansor and @MNBassman and I feel they have good idea of Wild situation more.

So will stay with my idea for now.


Wait, they thought it was horrible too....
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:50
#10
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Wait, they thought it was horrible too....


That's not the takeaway I got.
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Nov 5, 2019 at 6:55
#11
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Trickster
That's not the takeaway I got.


“Guerin would have to be a fool to give away his first.”

Maybe you just saw what you wanted to see.
Nov 5, 2019 at 6:55
#12
First NY Then LA
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As a fan of both teams but not a homer for either, I think Dumba and Zucker is right for both teams. Minny needs the draft pick and Toronto gets the monster RD it needs desperately both this year and for the future, with only Rielly and the rookies signed for next year.

What's the over and under against my hapless Kings this evening?
Nov 5, 2019 at 7:08
#13
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
“Guerin would have to be a fool to give away his first.”

Maybe you just saw what you wanted to see.


Did you read the part about the protection on the pick OR if it was 1st rounder later in the round acquired via another trade??
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Nov 5, 2019 at 7:21
#14
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Trickster
Did you read the part about the protection on the pick OR if it was 1st rounder later in the round acquired via another trade??


i did! Bottom of the barrel teams shouldn't make a practice of trading first round picks regardless. Then when you factor in they're also moving their most valuable asset with that pick, along with a good NHL player, and it gets to the absurd territory.
Nov 5, 2019 at 7:29
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I'm not sure Minnesota would want to give up a first round pick seeing what situation their in.

Maybe make the trade slightly bigger? It's tough because Marner is still on pace for a 90+ point season.
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Nov 5, 2019 at 7:31
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wpg
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Quoting: Trickster
I was talking to @tansor and @MNBassman and I feel they have good idea of Wild situation more.

So will stay with my idea for now.


Sup, old wild fan here before jets came back. Great trade but your undervaluing dumba and his contract quite alot... wild r rebuilding so 1st round pick is out of the question but with marner for dumba and Zucker I think the leafs would have to add... maybe a 2nd/3rd round pick or something
Nov 5, 2019 at 7:53
#17
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Personally, I would do Marner for Dumba and Zucker straight up! But if they want to throw in a pick too.....

Also, I like the other trades but I think we might have to settle for a 3rd and maybe a later pick for Hyman. Just my thoughts.
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Nov 5, 2019 at 7:56
#18
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: oneX
I'm not sure Minnesota would want to give up a first round pick seeing what situation their in.

Maybe make the trade slightly bigger? It's tough because Marner is still on pace for a 90+ point season.


No I think this kind of move will big enough already.
Any thoughts on Zucker and how he might fit Leafs?
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:02
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Personally, I would do Marner for Dumba and Zucker straight up! But if they want to throw in a pick too.....

Also, I like the other trades but I think we might have to settle for a 3rd and maybe a later pick for Hyman. Just my thoughts.


Quoting: HockeyFan989
Sup, old wild fan here before jets came back. Great trade but your undervaluing dumba and his contract quite alot... wild r rebuilding so 1st round pick is out of the question but with marner for dumba and Zucker I think the leafs would have to add... maybe a 2nd/3rd round pick or something


What about Marner and Hyman for Dumba, Zucker and a 2nd or 3rd?
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:04
#20
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
What about Marner and Hyman for Dumba, Zucker and a 2nd or 3rd?


Woah, I like.
Changing my trade to this.
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:09
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Quoting: Trickster
Woah, I like.
Changing my trade to this.


Thanks, I was thinking about this after I read your proposal but wasn't sure how people would react so I stuck with my other thought of Marner for Dumba and Zucker and like I said if they want to throw in a pick I wouldn't complain lol.
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Nov 5, 2019 at 8:11
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Hugh Hefner of CF
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Thanks, I was thinking about this after I read your proposal but wasn't sure how people would react so I stuck with my other thought of Marner for Dumba and Zucker and like I said if they want to throw in a pick I wouldn't complain lol.


Its solid idea, another right shot player to team lacking them.
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:13
#23
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Quoting: Trickster
No I think this kind of move will big enough already.
Any thoughts on Zucker and how he might fit Leafs?


Initially, I thought best to stay away from Zucker but...I have been mulling over the idea. I've warmed up to such an idea actually.
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:16
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Quoting: Trickster
Its solid idea, another right shot player to team lacking them.


A lot of people forget that Hyman is a natural RW, me and blowingthezone have had a few conversations about it before when believe it or not Minny fans didn't want him because they said he's a LW
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:16
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Thanks, I was thinking about this after I read your proposal but wasn't sure how people would react so I stuck with my other thought of Marner for Dumba and Zucker and like I said if they want to throw in a pick I wouldn't complain lol.


It is a very solid idea. That would upgrade Minnesota's wingers quite a bit.
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