Trickster seems to do that a lot because he presents sound logic behind his ideas

Thanks, I think it works well for both teams

He mentioned getting Zucker months ago but..at that point Marner had not hit 90 points. Then he got 10.8 million and as my bud @blowing_the_zone would say...the shine's off the kid now.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Also, another person who brings sound logic too discussions

And still leave them with zero centers, which is what they need more. @TanSor would agree with me: Wild only move Dumba if a franchise center is coming back. Dumba is young and on a great contract, Guerin would be an idiot to trade him as part of a package.

I get what you're saying but no team is going trade you a center that you'd accept for Dumba, and it's still a good trade for both teams.

Great reason to not trade him, unless it's a pure futures package coming back in another year or 2 if Guerin can't pull off some magic. Marner would be a UFA before the Wild could compete, so why bring him in? It makes no sense.

I've warmed up a bit to the idea of moving Dumba for a non-center since Boldy has been playing the position in college and well likely have a good shot at getting one in the draft. We do also need a right shot wing, so this idea fills that need. I just worry that we are gunna waste the best years of Dumba and he'll walk for nothing once we're finally able to contend again

Fine then don't do the trade I like Dumba but personally, I'd go after Jones instead.

Problem is Marner isn't any different in the wasting his best years and losing him for nothing category. If they blow it up, and trading Dumba is exactly that, go for pure futures and prospects. Don't get a player that's signed for big money already and will be a UFA when his deal is up and definitely don't toss in a pick or another trade asset like Zucker.

It's an interesting idea and leaf fans have been fishing for Dumba for a while. I think there's a trade that could happen between the two. Definitely something that both teams need from each other.

But I doubt Minny considers Marner for Dumba plus given where both teams are at. I'm a big fan of Marner as a player, as much as that might surprise some, just not a fan of the drama behind the contract negotiations this past summer.
Anyways, I think out of the 3 he's a leaf for life, and that's a good thing cause he's a heckuva a player, despite being overpaid..

And because he's overpaid his value takes a hit. Dumba at 6M vs Marner at 11M makes everyone think twice. . Something around Nylander and Spurgeon could make alot of sense for both teams though...

Jones honestly is a better fit for Toronto who needs a guy to play defense. Dumba will frustrate you at times with his lapses in judgment on the defensive side.

No way man.
Dont wanto trade Nylander and certainly not for Spurgeon under his new deal.

That's like, your opinion, man..

Not necesssarily. Marner is 22, Dumba is 25. Say we take 2-3 years of rebuilding, would you rather have 2-3 years of Marner age 24-25 or 1-2 years of Dumba age 27-28?

I think Nylander makes more sense from Minni's perspective as they need C potential.

If we're moving Marner (which I don't think we are, but I'd be all for), I think Jones is the target. They also have Werenski as a stud and other good dmen. And Marner replaces Panarin

Personally, and for what it's worth, if minny is thinking about tearing down for a couple years then Dumba at 6M is better value than Mitch at 11M, considering how you can use that cap space.

Continuing that line of thinking the Nylander and Spurgeon contracts are kind of a wash. Throw in some stuff to account for the difference in age and team needs and there could be something there. Maybe?

Full disclosure.. a Rielly/Spurgeon pair would be awesome, imo. I'm biased, I get it..

I'd definitely do it, but I'm sure Dubas is in love with Nylander, lol

F that. Spurgeon is leaving his prime and Nylander hadn't entered his yet. It is quite possible he is sub par in 2 years. Likely in 4

I think with all of the problems currently facing this team, they're not going to turn it around in 2-3 years but to answer your question, honestly neither. If they're rebuilding, find an ideal trade like Sakic did with Duchene and bring in futures. Lots of teams would be interested in Dumba and I think they'd find a better offer for something that fits their needs better than Marner if they actively shopped him.

Uh... Nylander is 23, prime years in the NHL are generally 22/23-28/29. But I get what you're saying

Well let's start with me stating I still beleive Marner is overpaid, but only by a $1 million.

That Dumba contract right now is flat sexy on a silver platter, for everything Dumba is and still can be.

Think the talent portion of the contest is a wash really. Marner is fantastic at what he does, but Dumba can do damage in his own right......

So, it boils down to contract. And to balance that out, Zucker maybe the add here. Not sure Hyman does much for the Wild..... maybe talking Kerfoot honestly. Centre depth is an issue.

Marner and Kerfoot for Dumba and Zucker..... ????

The leafs have a nice but complicated window. Next year is the push year, imo. It's highly doubtful they can keep this team together beyond 2 - 3 years.

I've already mentioned my bias with Rielly. But, jesus... we're missing Hainsey this year.?! There's nothing wrong with d vets..

..this coming from an old guy.

Scratch that. . Now we keep Nylandre!

So many Leafs fans and non Leafs fans say, "you'll never be able to this team together". So? no playoff round victories, I'm all for some additions and subtractions.