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Sharks Rumor

Created by: OutCold13
Initial Creation Date: Feb 23, 2021
Published: Feb 24 at 10:03
Team: 2020-21 San Jose Sharks
Team Explanation
So the rumor I read is that the Sharks are looking to retool, by moving some of their long term contracts. The guys I traded below were the names, if I remember correctly, that were mentioned. I guess I was dumbfounded after reading it, who is going to jump on these grenades?
I am just going to ask the many fine GM's of CapFriendly to help Doug Wilson out and get creative to help retool the Sharks.
Trades
SJS
  1. Skinner, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
This one was offered up in the article but yuck all the way around for both teams.
BUF
  1. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
SJS
    Who wants him, where would he except a trade to, and what's the return?
    DAL
    1. Burns, Brent
    SJS
      Who wants him, where would he except a trade to, and what's the return?
      FLA
      1. Karlsson, Erik
      SJS
        Who wants him, where would he except a trade to, and what's the return?
        VAN
        1. Kane, Evander
        SJS
          Who wants him, where would he except a trade to, and what's the return?
          NSH
          1. Jones, Martin
          Retained Salary Transactions
          • Nick Foligno: $1,375,000 (25%)
          • Mattias Janmark: $562,500 (25%)
          DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
          2021
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          2022
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          MIN
          2023
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          SJS
          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
          20$81,500,000$49,679,167$0$510,000$31,820,833
          Left WingCenterRight Wing
          BUF
          Skinner, Jeff
          $7,000,000
          LW, RW
          NMC
          UFA - 7
          SJS
          Couture, Logan
          $8,000,000
          C, LW
          NTC
          UFA - 7
          SJS
          Labanc, Kevin
          $4,725,000
          RW, LW
          UFA - 4
          SJS
          Gregor, Noah
          $768,333
          C, LW
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Hertl, Tomas
          $5,625,000
          C, RW
          NTC
          UFA - 2
          SJS
          Meier, Timo
          $6,000,000
          LW, RW
          RFA - 3
          SJS
          Donato, Ryan
          $1,900,000
          LW, C
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Gambrell, Dylan
          $700,000
          C
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Balcers, Rūdolfs
          $735,000
          RW, LW
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Sörensen, Marcus
          $1,500,000
          LW, RW
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Marleau, Patrick
          $700,000
          LW, C
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Leonard, John
          $925,000
          LW, RW
          RFA - 2
          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
          SJS
          Ferraro, Mario
          $925,000
          LD
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Knyzhov, Nikolai
          $796,667
          LD/RD
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Dubnyk, Devan
          $2,166,667
          G
          NTC
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Simek, Radim
          $2,250,000
          LD
          UFA - 4
          SJS
          Meloche, Nicolas
          $700,000
          RD
          RFA - 1
          SJS
          Claesson, Fredrik
          $700,000
          LD
          UFA - 1
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
          SJS
          Nieto, Matt
          $700,000
          LW, RW
          UFA - 1
          SJS
          Noesen, Stefan
          $925,000
          RW, LW
          UFA - 1
          Taxi Squad
          SJS
          Melnichuk, Alexei
          $925,000 ($0)
          G
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Chmelevski, Alexander
          $778,333 ($0)
          C
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Middleton, Jacob
          $725,000 ($0)
          LD
          RFA - 2
          SJS
          Gabriel, Kurtis
          $700,000 ($0)
          RW
          UFA - 1

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          Feb 24 at 10:14
          #1
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          Fascinating topic, those contracts certainly aren’t friendly. Curious to see how this plays out.
          Feb 24 at 10:16
          #2
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          kane’s the only guy who might have value at this point
          Feb 24 at 10:17
          #3
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          There might be an ECHL team for Jones
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          Feb 24 at 10:18
          #4
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          Burns for Subban...lol not a Devil's fan or Sharks fan, but it would be funny to see two horrible defensive players on the same team.
          Feb 24 at 10:18
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          Quoting: Alfie11
          kane’s the only guy who might have value at this point


          Imagine saying that 3 years ago and people would’ve said your crazy. It’s kinda sad to see if you ask me. There was a time I remember when Burns and Karlsson straight up dominated.
          Feb 24 at 10:22
          #6
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          Kane’s actually legitimately valuable unlike a lot of those other contracts. But yeah it’ll be tough to get rid of some of those. Burns is another one which isn’t as terrible but I doubt many teams even entertain the though or taking on some of these guy.

          As I’ve said before though sign me up for a Vlasic - Skinner swap.
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          Feb 24 at 10:22
          #7
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          Lol. Yeah all they need to do is trade 4 or 5 awful contracts and then it's smooth sailing!
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          Feb 24 at 10:23
          #8
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          No thx
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          Feb 24 at 10:23
          #9
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          We would need to take dead cap back because almost every team is up against the cap but Burns and Kane have value. We are stuck with Karlsson, Vlasic and Jones.
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          Feb 24 at 10:27
          #10
          Nick Leddy Apologist
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          Karlsson is immovable, moving him on that contract would be nearly impossible.

          Burns make have some value but you’re either retaining or taking on a bad contract. But maybe you could get a package of B-prospects or mid round picks.

          Kane I think would have legit value; you’re taking money back too but maybe you could get a late 1st rounder for him

          Jones is going to be bought out this offseason and they’ll just completely redo their goaltending, probably a lot like the Blackhawks did, taking a bunch of unproven guys and crossing their fingers one pans out
          Feb 24 at 10:37
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          Vlasic for Skinner was shot down my Elliotte Friedman if I remember.

          Its a good time for the Sharks to find somewhere that will take Burns at 50% retained, absolutely some team will pay for a 4M Burns who is leading the league in ice time and has looked really solid this year.

          The only place Karlsson is going is the LTIR

          Can't see Kane being moved, just too much money for too long for a team to want him right now.

          Jones is likely to be in the AHL very soon...

          If the Sharks are going full rebuild, now might be a good time to find a spot for Hertl. Meier has also struggled this year and if he rebounds, should be considered as a piece at the deadline.
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          Feb 24 at 10:43
          #12
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          Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
          Kane’s actually legitimately valuable unlike a lot of those other contracts. But yeah it’ll be tough to get rid of some of those. Burns is another one which isn’t as terrible but I doubt many teams even entertain the though or taking on some of these guy.

          As I’ve said before though sign me up for a Vlasic - Skinner swap.


          Burns's contract probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be on this site.
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          Feb 24 at 10:52
          #13
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          Quoting: OutCold13
          Burns's contract probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be on this site.


          It isn’t. I can concede that it isn’t good, but a lot of people on here like to pretend it’s as bad as Eriksson or Vlasic which just isn’t the case.
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          Feb 24 at 10:57
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          Quoting: OutCold13
          Burns's contract probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be on this site.


          Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
          It isn’t. I can concede that it isn’t good, but a lot of people on here like to pretend it’s as bad as Eriksson or Vlasic which just isn’t the case.


          It's certainly not as bad as folks make it out to be. Obviously it would be nice if it were 2-3 years shorter though. Much more moveable too.
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          Feb 24 at 10:58
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          Quoting: OutCold13
          Burns's contract probably isn't as bad as it is made out to be on this site.


          People here seem to think Couture also has some terrible, unmovable contract, when 8 mil is probably the going rate for a decent 1C/elite 2C.
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          Feb 24 at 11:01
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          Quoting: MJC13
          People here seem to think Couture also has some terrible, unmovable contract, when 8 mil is probably the going rate for a decent 1C/elite 2C.


          Coutures contract is totally fine minus the term. He’s worth every penny of what he’s getting paid at the moment, but when he declines in maybe 3-4 years it might get ugly.
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          Feb 24 at 11:06
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          Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
          Coutures contract is totally fine minus the term. He’s worth every penny of what he’s getting paid at the moment, but when he declines in maybe 3-4 years it might get ugly.


          Agree, but a team trading for Couture probably wants to win now, and has less concerns for 4+ years down the line. So IMO his value is still very high, at least higher than what I see a lot of people valuing him on this site.
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          Feb 24 at 11:12
          #18
          Shibbal18
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          San Jose would be blessed to do the Buffalo trade. Vlasic is toast, Skinner is just hated by the coach and plays less than 12 minutes a game. San Jose has to pay Buffalo a lot to do that trade
          Feb 24 at 11:54
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          Quoting: Shibbal18
          San Jose would be blessed to do the Buffalo trade. Vlasic is toast, Skinner is just hated by the coach and plays less than 12 minutes a game. San Jose has to pay Buffalo a lot to do that trade


          I guess I see it the other way due to term and AAV, but it is a mute point both players are not guys anyone wants.
          Feb 24 at 11:57
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          Quoting: OutCold13
          I guess I see it the other way due to term and AAV, but it is a mute point both players are not guys anyone wants.


          Skinner can easily rebound and more than likely will. His stats are a direct result of being buried by Krueger
          Feb 25 at 12:36
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          Quoting: Shibbal18
          Skinner can easily rebound and more than likely will. His stats are a direct result of being buried by Krueger


          I may be mistaken, but he is in his 3rd year in Buffalo and has regressed every year. I'd move him while there is time.
          Feb 25 at 1:04
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          The only issue with finding suitors is that these guys have NMC/NTC... Karlsson and Vlasic have complete power over where they go/if they even wanna go. They could flat out reject and stay with the team. Kane, Burns and Jones all have 3-team lists. They could easily submit 3 teams that would never go for them because of their cap and it ends there. If they did give real teams though, a deal would be so hard to strike because of how tight cap is. As mentioned, SJ would have to take cap back.
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          Feb 25 at 1:43
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          burns and kane are only ones with value. vlasic for skinner. intresting deal for sure. i would be for it personally
          Feb 25 at 1:54
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          Quoting: Shibbal18
          San Jose would be blessed to do the Buffalo trade. Vlasic is toast, Skinner is just hated by the coach and plays less than 12 minutes a game. San Jose has to pay Buffalo a lot to do that trade


          call him what you want. vlasic at least can still be used. Stick him with someone who can skate and you can use him as a valuable bottom 4 pairing. i mean look at vlasics advanced stats, guy is at 70 percent d zone start time and majority of the time has played with rookie d partner on the 3rd pair. Skinner might have more in the tank but look at his stats. A. 1 pt for a guy your paying 8 mil a year. B. His possession stats are awful.

          I still think SJ would have to throw in a sweetner but its as lopsided as your saying here
          Feb 25 at 7:01
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          Quoting: OutCold13
          I may be mistaken, but he is in his 3rd year in Buffalo and has regressed every year. I'd move him while there is time.


          2 years with Krueger
           
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