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Jul. 18, 2021 at 3:51 p.m.
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Oh for sure sometimes he drives me nuts. But sometimes this guy was incredible. Like I think next to Simmonds only guy willing to drop the gloves with Tkachuck. Or when he kept Mcdavid to 0 points in that 3 game stretch where the Oilers were almost shutout 3 times by 3 different goalies. Now if there were better options in FA that Dubas could get for 2mill or less sure Holl could have been moved. But with the Defense market rn favoring expensive or LD guys I dont think moving Holl rn is wise.


I think I've started to understand the issue with having Holl in your top 4: the dude has got too many lapses to be a regular top4. He is more of an ideal 5
Jul. 18, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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Hallander is 20. He's likely to make an NHL roster in 22-23 which is not in 3 years lol


My point is, he's likely not going to be better than Kerfoot. I can't see him being more than a 4th line or maybe low end 3rd line centre.

Besides, I think with the familiarity Hakstol has with Kerfoot that's Seattle's pick anyways.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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But remember who is Seattle's head coach. Hakstol. He has familiarity with both Hyman and Kerfoot. That does have precedence in the GM's potential choices. To me its between those 2 as Hakstol never coached McCann. Got to think Francis went to him and asked who he thought would be the right fit before the trade happened. And when we consider Kerfoot stepped up his game when JT got hurt that could sway the choice into his direction.

Rn making a Seattle team now that I know the protected guys. Looks pretty good so far.


But McCann is the better player and it’s not close. Considering Seattle hired a high end analytics team, the choice will definitely be McCann unless Dubas gives up high draft picks
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:05 p.m.
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My point is, he's likely not going to be better than Kerfoot. I can't see him being more than a 4th line or maybe low end 3rd line centre.

Besides, I think with the familiarity Hakstol has with Kerfoot that's Seattle's pick anyways.


Taking kerfoot over McCann is like taking Holl over Rielly if both were exposed. It would make 0 sense
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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Taking kerfoot over McCann is like taking Holl over Rielly if both were exposed. It would make 0 sense


LOL how? Sure McCann makes more sense, but he's not much better than Kerfoot. And the coach knows Kerfoot a lot better. Comparing these two to Holl and Rielly is completely absurd.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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LOL how? Sure McCann makes more sense, but he's not much better than Kerfoot. And the coach knows Kerfoot a lot better. Comparing these two to Holl and Rielly is completely absurd.


His point totals were really good last year. Kerfoot is one of those guys that you appreciate if you watch leafs games but iunno if that’ll translate. It’s like Palat in Tampa where he’s so underrated but he shouldn’t be
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.
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LOL how? Sure McCann makes more sense, but he's not much better than Kerfoot. And the coach knows Kerfoot a lot better. Comparing these two to Holl and Rielly is completely absurd.



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Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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I don't understand these things.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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I don't understand these things.


Over the last 3 seasons McCann is slightly above average at driving offense but he’s a great finisher. He’s in the 92nd percentile at driving play defensively. G/60 stands for goals per 60 minutes so he scored at a higher rate than 62% of forwards over the last 3 seasons.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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I don't understand these things.



Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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Over the last 3 seasons McCann is slightly above average at driving offense but he’s a great finisher. He’s in the 92nd percentile at driving play defensively. G/60 stands for goals per 60 minutes so he scored at a higher rate than 62% of forwards over the last 3 seasons.


Hmm. What does this look like for Kerfoot?

EDIT: Ignore this, didn't see the one with Kerfoot
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 4:59 p.m.
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Currently working on my Seattle per team reaction/projection, thread is in the NHL forums section
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:00 p.m.
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Hmm. What does this look like for Kerfoot?

EDIT: Ignore this, didn't see the one with Kerfoot


From this it does look like McCann is better.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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From this it does look like McCann is better.


Yeah and considering McCann just had a career year and kerfoot fell off a bit, you’d think it would be an easy choice for Seattle unless they get a high draft pick. A 1st, hallander, and kerfoot for McCann is pretty fair IMO, especially for a win now team like TOR
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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But McCann is the better player and it’s not close. Considering Seattle hired a high end analytics team, the choice will definitely be McCann unless Dubas gives up high draft picks


True. I think its either Kerfoot and a 3rd going to Seattle, or Kerfoot and Liligren going. Kerfoot would be nice as if it does not work out Seattle can flip him for value as both this season and next season only owed 750k.

Heck maybe neither and Seattle shocks everyone and takes Hyman. Then goes cheaper elsewhere. Friedman did say Francis has inquired and Seattle was one of the teams next to Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary who was a frontrunner. Like Hakstol probs going "Francis get Hyman trust me"
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
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Over the last 3 seasons McCann is slightly above average at driving offense but he’s a great finisher. He’s in the 92nd percentile at driving play defensively. G/60 stands for goals per 60 minutes so he scored at a higher rate than 62% of forwards over the last 3 seasons.


Important to note that the data is weighted average, as well. I don't follow or subscribe to JFresh, but I'm assuming a significant factor in determining the importance of certain numbers is the recency (as it should be). In the comparison of McCann to Kerfoot, that's likely to tip the scales a little more than what's realistic - Kerfoot having had a terrible year, McCann a great one. We're likely to see a regression both ways with those two. I'd still much prefer to keep McCann for a number of reasons.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:14 p.m.
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Important to note that the data is weighted average, as well. I don't follow or subscribe to JFresh, but I'm assuming a significant factor in determining the importance of certain numbers is the recency (as it should be). In the comparison of McCann to Kerfoot, that's likely to tip the scales a little more than what's realistic - Kerfoot having had a terrible year, McCann a great one. We're likely to see a regression both ways with those two. I'd still much prefer to keep McCann for a number of reasons.


Yes McCann will definitely regress a bit, but not by much. He’ll have a higher quality of teammates in Toronto.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:21 p.m.
honestly at the end of this we should have a poll or something to see whose Seattle team was the closest to the actual thing

If you get side deals right bonus points

Winner gets bragging rights and will be called "SUS KING"

Here's link mine (didnt put side deals yet, still thinking what some could look like)
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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Yes McCann will definitely regress a bit, but not by much. He’ll have a higher quality of teammates in Toronto.


Depending on how they utilize him (if they even still have him), he should have a better QoT. Safe to say Kerfoot will regress to the mean a bit as well - really wasn't a good year for him based on his own track record.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:28 p.m.
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Did Minny REALLY not protect their young goalie of the future?? They better have a deal in place to keep him cause that's an easy pickup for Seattle
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:36 p.m.
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Did Minny REALLY not protect their young goalie of the future?? They better have a deal in place to keep him cause that's an easy pickup for Seattle


Kahkonen’s advanced numbers were bad, while Talbot’s were great. It makes sense to keep your current starting goalie, as opposed to someone who *might* turn out nearly as good as Talbot in the future.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:37 p.m.
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Kahkonen’s advanced numbers were bad, while Talbot’s were great. It makes sense to keep your current starting goalie, as opposed to someone who *might* turn out nearly as good as Talbot in the future.


Especially with the Parise/Suter buyouts. Minnesota's time is now. Like, right now.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:38 p.m.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 5:39 p.m.
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Man, Montréal’s off-season is seriously f***ed up.
 
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