Why Connor Brown is similar in value to Blake Coleman and why he is not for sale

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2021

Published: Oct. 4, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

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Connor Brown

Age 27

6 feet tall

Cap hit is 1.8 million if you retain half his salary

Has two years left on his contract

During the 2020-2021 season ...

Played all 56 Games

Scored 35 Points for 0.63 points per game

Played 18:14 in ice time per game

Logged 2 hours 43 minutes killing penalties

#1 Penalty Killing forward in the NHL based on time spent killing penalties

Scored 5 Shorthanded Goals

Put 123 shots on goal, 20 of which were shorthanded

Can play Left Wing or Right Wing anywhere in the Lineup

Currently plays for the Ottawa Senators and received 10 votes for the Selke Trophy

Since 2018

209 Games Played

107 Points

11.8 Shooting Percentage

0.51 points per Game

10 Shorthanded Points

+6 Playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Ottawa Senators

CGY

Blake Coleman

Age 28 at the time he was traded

5 foot 11

Cap hit was 1.8 million when he was traded to Tampa.

Had two years left when he was traded

During the 2020-2021 season ...

Played 55 games and missed 1

Scored 31 points for 0.56 points per game

Played 15:28 in ice time per game for the Tampa Bay Lightning

Logged 2 hours 2 minutes killing penalties for Tampa

#16 Penalty Killing Forward in the NHL based on time spent killing penalties

Scored a shorthanded goal last season

Put 122 shots on goal, 16 of which were shorthanded

Can play Left Wing or Right Wing anywhere in the lineup

Played for the Tampa Bay Lightning last season but received 0 votes for the Selke Trophy

Since 2018

199 Games Played

99 Points

10.7 Shooting Percentage

0.50 points per game

10 Shorthanded Points

-4 playing for the New Jersey Devils and the Tampa Bay Lightning

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Foote, Nolan
Mukhamadullin, Shakir [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

What did New Jersey get for Blake Coleman?

1. A prospect that was very recently drafted in the first round

(Nolan Foote)

2. A 1st round pick for a deep draft

(Used by the Devils to select Mukhamadullin)

NJD

This is what the New Jersey Devils got for Blake Coleman when they traded him to Tampa on February 16, 2020.

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That means only one thing if we are trading Connor Brown ...

TOR

The starting bid for Connor Brown will be exactly that:

1. A prospect that was very recently drafted in the first round

And

2. A 1st round pick for a deep draft

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Amirov, Rodion
2022 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

Brown, Connor ($1,800,000 retained)

Additional Details:

That means something like this ...

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Barron, Justin
2023 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Or this ...

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Poulin, Samuel
2022 1st round pick (PIT)

PIT

Or this ...

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Coronato, Matthew [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (CGY)

CGY

Or this ...

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2023 1st round pick (NJD)

Additional Details:

Nolan Foote

NJD

Or maybe even this again.

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But we're not trading Connor Brown.

TOR

Over the next two years, we'll be pushing to make the playoffs.

And maybe get lucky in the first round like Montreal last season

Against a team that is built for the regular season instead of the playoffs.

Either way, Connor Brown is going to be a part of it.

And we're going to reward him for it once it's all set in done

Like we did in October, 22nd 2020

It's going to be a beautiful thing.

I look forward to watching it with you :D

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
Dion Phaneuf: $354,167

Retained Salary Transactions

Connor Brown: $1,800,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$81,500,000	$58,661,749	$0	$4,720,000	$22,838,251

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 6	White, Colin $4,750,000$4,750,000 C, RW UFA - 4
Sanford, Zachary $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Tierney, Chris $3,500,000$3,500,000 C UFA - 1	Watson, Austin $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Formenton, Alex $747,500$747,500 ($107,500$108K) LW RFA - 1	Paul, Nicholas $749,250$749,250 C, LW UFA - 1
	Stützle, Tim $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 2
Foote, Nolan $863,333$863,333 LW RFA - 3	Norris, Joshua $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 1
Amirov, Rodion $925,000$925,000 LW UFA - 3	Pinto, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) C RFA - 2
Poulin, Samuel $863,333$863,333 C, LW RFA - 3	Bishop, Clark $800,000$800,000 C, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 7	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Del Zotto, Michael $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Zub, Artem $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Forsberg, Anton $900,000$900,000 G UFA - 1
Holden, Nick $1,700,000$1,700,000 LD UFA - 1	Brown, Joshua $1,200,000$1,200,000 RD UFA - 1
Mete, Victor $1,200,000$1,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Brännström, Erik $863,333$863,333 ($450,000$450K) LD/RD, LW RFA - 1
Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 3

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:30 p.m.

CMcAvoy73

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Did brown just win back to back cups?

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:31 p.m.

VijayPatel11

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Did brown just win back to back cups?

Did Coleman before he was traded?

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.

TheThunder

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Did brown just win back to back cups?

Coleman hadn't either when Tampa Bay traded for him

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:32 p.m.

TheThunder

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Did brown just win back to back cups?

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:33 p.m.

TheThunder

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Did brown just win back to back cups?

Coleman hadn't either when Tampa Bay traded for him.

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:34 p.m.

sensonfire

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Did brown just win back to back cups?

Winning back to back cups happened after the trade was made.

You should know that.

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:34 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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I like the COL, CGY, NJD deals best for Ottawa.
I wouldn't do the PIT deal. Not sure about TOR.

Agree generally on his value though

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:34 p.m.

CMcAvoy73

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Quoting: TheThunder

Coleman hadn't either when Tampa Bay traded for him.

Ya i get it guy, you don’t have to tell me three times.

Coleman is clearly (i guess was clearly), the better player.

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.

JaredOfLondon

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I do love a good "time spent doing a thing" stat without context of how well he did during those minutes
Brown has been worse than his team mates at defending shots and chances short handed every season since 2017-18
Coleman has been better, usually significantly better than his, when he was traded he was at a 6.4% corsi rel which is over 4x better than Brown has been in forever and 7.6 Fenwick rel which is about the same

also lol +/-

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.

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NotJimBenning

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Although I do understand this notion, I do not think that Ottawa will get a good deal for Brown unless the right conditions are made (i.e. cap retention, and sent to a top 4/5 team). However, futures aside, it's time for Ottawa to preserve the talent on offer. Too many people are quick to jump the gun and try to trade away certain players. Ottawa needs to make the jump soon, otherwise they run risk of being in a limbo of struggle similar to Detroit or NJ. Brown should only get traded if he is part of a package to acquire a bonafide star.

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

Ya i get it guy, you don’t have to tell me three times.

Coleman is clearly (i guess was clearly), the better player.

Phone screwed up

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:39 p.m.

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mk458

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You're absolutely right! He has the same value as Coleman did at the time if you retain 50%. But keep in mind that most teams wouldn't have paid what Tampa did. Tampa was 100% all in and Jon Cooper told BriseBois exactly who he wanted, and they were willing to pay whatever it took to ensure the got him. I think unless a situation like that happens again, Brown might get you slightly less value, maybe a 1st and a lower end prospect

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:39 p.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

Sure, Jan.

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:41 p.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: mk458

That's part of the reason why he's not for sale

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:41 p.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

Sure, Jan.

any time hoss

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:42 p.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: MikeyG420

That's part of the reason why he's not for sale.

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:44 p.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

any time hoss

When another first round exit happens, make sure you don't sell the farm

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:53 p.m.

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Ragsandbluesfan

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How about Kaut and a 1st instead if Barron? Coleman got a LW prospect back so it would sense to get a RW prospect back for Brown

Oct. 4, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.

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sensonfire

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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan

How about Kaut and a 1st instead if Barron? Coleman got a LW prospect back so it would sense to get a RW prospect back for Brown

I prefer Olausson over Kaut.

Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:00 p.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

When another first round exit happens, make sure you don't sell the farm

I do love it when a fan of a team whose only cup winning goal ever is an own goal tries to talk success smack

Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

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Richard88

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Why are you comparing Brown to what Coleman did for Tampa? The real comparison is Brown vs what Coleman did in NJ

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

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Quoting: sensonfire

That's part of the reason why he's not for sale

unless he requests a trade lol

Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.

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Ragsandbluesfan

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Quoting: sensonfire

I prefer Olausson over Kaut.

Point stands

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Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Richard88

Why are you comparing Brown to what Coleman did for Tampa? The real comparison is Brown vs what Coleman did in NJ

Part of my comparison includes what Coleman did in NJ.

When I say, "Since 2018".

Oct. 4, 2021 at 7:13 p.m.

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Richard88

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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan

How about Kaut and a 1st instead if Barron? Coleman got a LW prospect back so it would sense to get a RW prospect back for Brown

Sakic isn't going to move Barron, he's everything the organisation wants in a Dman.

If a 1st + B prospect is being mooted I'd rather just aim higher than Brown. Like Forsberg, Hertl, etc.

A couple of Anaheim fans were happy to do Kaut + Compher for Rakell and that's much better value than dropping a 1st + Kaut on Brown.

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