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2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #4 - Eichel?

Nov. 4, 2021 at 3:59 p.m.
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Steeves 99% probs getting a spot either after the OB or next season as he can play LW and would be a good bottom 6 option.

Rubins could be our #7 Dman next year, Menell mmm idk with him could be a call up option, Semyonov probs going back to the KHL or another team at the deadline, Robertson will either play next season or be traded in a package for something big. Ho-Sang should be on the team just need to wait and see as honestly I would say he takes Kase spot but Kampf-Kase has been a solid defensive duo. Once Mikheyev returns that 3rd line is going to be annoying to say the least. So maybe Ho-Sang takes Spezza's spot if he does not come back. Gonna be interesting this offseason

As for affording Campbell my guess rn are 2 deals 5mill x 5 years or 4.5mill x 4 years. If Dubas can move Richie (unless he rebounds) or Holl (unless he rebounds) should be able to do it. As with Kessel and the cap going up by a mill if everything goes up should be able to do so. Heck he may even take less than everyone is saying who knows

Holmberg and Anderson could also be thrown in as both could contribute to the bottom 6 rn at the NHL level.


I would certainly be surprised if any team offers him 5 years at his age/injury history. If they did it would bring down the AAV tho, wouldn’t start at 5. I’m with you tho, I think a 3-4 year deal in between 4 and 4.5 could be had. There will need to be some cap gymnastics, Ritchie(could just buy him out), Kerfoot, Holl being moved but doable.

IMO I see Semyonov here this year and next. I think they are super high on him.

The Leafs next year will finally have options internally to compete for roster spots instead of dumpster diving for FA reclamation projects.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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If you play in a junior and trying to get drafted in the nhl what do you do about school
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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If you play in a junior and trying to get drafted in the nhl what do you do about school


Home school normally promoted through the junior team I think, but I could be completely wrong
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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Home school normally promoted through the junior team I think, but I could be completely wrong


Also high school hockey is though to watch. It’s probably different in college
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:06 p.m.
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Idk of skill is your issue. I just feel that your top guys are very skillful but where is the sandpaper and size? I'm an Oilers fan and love Hyman thus far. I feel that's the player TO needs in their top 6 and idk if the guys you listed accomplish that. Maybe I'm wrong since I don't know the team






For a team that gets criticized for lack of toughness, they are 14th in the NHL for hits. 🤷‍♂️
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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If you play in a junior and trying to get drafted in the nhl what do you do about school


I’ve got two Neighbors in the OHL, and the team contributes cash towards school and travelling costs and that’s how they get “paid
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.
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For a team that gets criticized for lack of toughness, they are 14th in the NHL for hits. 🤷‍♂️

I mean 21 teams have played less games than them lol and I don't think other teams are overly worried about a couple 4th liners racking up hits if they can still steamroll the players that are good. It would certainly benefit the Leafs to add sandpaper to their top 6 if the guy deserved to be there on merit (like if Ritchie was actually good at hockey)
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:19 p.m.
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Uh did the Sabres just acquire Johnny Boychuk?
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.
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Uh did the Sabres just acquire Johnny Boychuk?

Why yes they did
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.
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I mean 21 teams have played less games than them lol and I don't think other teams are overly worried about a couple 4th liners racking up hits if they can still steamroll the players that are good. It would certainly benefit the Leafs to add sandpaper to their top 6 if the guy deserved to be there on merit (like if Ritchie was actually good at hockey)


The Leafs have lost in consecutive playoffs because of the lack of point production from their top players. 😆 toughness has not been their issue
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.
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I mean 21 teams have played less games than them lol and I don't think other teams are overly worried about a couple 4th liners racking up hits if they can still steamroll the players that are good. It would certainly benefit the Leafs to add sandpaper to their top 6 if the guy deserved to be there on merit (like if Ritchie was actually good at hockey)


Most players with a high number of hits and hits/60 are 4th liners.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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Uh did the Sabres just acquire Johnny Boychuk?


Beauty add. Lol we added 6m and still have the most cap space
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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The Leafs have lost in consecutive playoffs because of the lack of point production from their top players. 😆 toughness has not been their issue


No they've clearly lost because they didn't have enough "character" guys for the analysts to fawn over.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
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The Leafs have lost in consecutive playoffs because of the lack of point production from their top players. 😆 toughness has not been their issue


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No they've clearly lost because they didn't have enough "character" guys for the analysts to fawn over.


Toughness...yes mental toughness cost the top players.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
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Uh did the Sabres just acquire Johnny Boychuk?


The goat
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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Toughness...yes mental toughness cost the top players.


🤞that Greg Harden will be there best offseason addition

https://www.tsn.ca/new-peak-performance-coach-helps-leafs-sharpen-mental-game-1.1699660
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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Beauty add. Lol we added 6m and still have the most cap space


Did we get anything in return?
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:29 p.m.
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Did we get anything in return?


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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:35 p.m.
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Did we get anything in return?


You got the mysterious entity known as FC
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:40 p.m.
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As expected, NJD recall Alex Holtz. Looks like he will make his NHL debut this weekend in California.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
Most players with a high number of hits and hits/60 are 4th liners.

I'm not the one trying to justify the Leafs being "tough" because the team is middle of the pack in hits lol. There are other types of grit which they are lacking, such as mental toughness, willingness to do literally anything to get the puck in the net, etc. Specifically Marner and Matthews, and honestly those are the most important players to have that. Having Ritchie and Simmonds go bang up some defensemen for 8 minutes a night is nice, but not a huge part of a team's success. Like Vegas has had success with Carrier/Reaves leading the league in hits, but that's not why they're tough, they're tough because guys like Stone and Patches are tough, reasonably physical, willing to take hits and go to the dirty areas, not phased by a bit of adversity, that sorta thing.
Quoting: MatthewsFan
The Leafs have lost in consecutive playoffs because of the lack of point production from their top players. 😆 toughness has not been their issue

See above. If their top players were tougher they'd be more successful. Boggles my mind that Matthews especially hasn't simply decided to improve that aspect of his game, it's pretty clearly a flaw and players of Matthews's calibre can usually improve any part of their game that they decide to in a summer (see Crosby just deciding to get godly at faceoffs one year, McDavid improving his defense, etc.). Having 4th line bangers is good, but isn't very impactful overall.
Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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I'm not the one trying to justify the Leafs being "tough" because the team is middle of the pack in hits lol. There are other types of grit which they are lacking, such as mental toughness, willingness to do literally anything to get the puck in the net, etc. Specifically Marner and Matthews, and honestly those are the most important players to have that. Having Ritchie and Simmonds go bang up some defensemen for 8 minutes a night is nice, but not a huge part of a team's success. Like Vegas has had success with Carrier/Reaves leading the league in hits, but that's not why they're tough, they're tough because guys like Stone and Patches are tough, reasonably physical, willing to take hits and go to the dirty areas, not phased by a bit of adversity, that sorta thing.

See above. If their top players were tougher they'd be more successful. Boggles my mind that Matthews especially hasn't simply decided to improve that aspect of his game, it's pretty clearly a flaw and players of Matthews's calibre can usually improve any part of their game that they decide to in a summer (see Crosby just deciding to get godly at faceoffs one year, McDavid improving his defense, etc.). Having 4th line bangers is good, but isn't very impactful overall.


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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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Wonder what Vegas plans to do in 2022. As they will have 5 mill and need to sign 6 players

Guys who are up

Roy, Hague, Kolesar, Howden

Guys who will probs not return due to cap Janmark and Smith, and maybe McNabb

In general this probs be the year as next season their bottom 6 depth is gonna get weaker.
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Nov. 4, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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Wonder what Vegas plans to do in 2022. As they will have 5 mill and need to sign 6 players

Guys who are up

Roy, Hague, Kolesar, Howden

Guys who will probs not return due to cap Janmark and Smith, and maybe McNabb

In general this probs be the year as next season their bottom 6 depth is gonna get weaker.


Hague is a really, really solid D. Kolesar is also excellent in a bottom six role. He's strong and very physical and he has some skill. Both need to be prioritized, imo.
 
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