change barron to helleson and it's not bad value.

not huge on patrick kane the person. i hope the avs stay clear.

Don't think this gets it done, maybe if compher was something else. That pick not bing till 2023 sucks too

Just as a fan, person and dad CHI can keep douche bag Kane forever.

I'd honestly prefer Colorado's 2023 1st over this year's - you already know that this year's pick is going to be late in the round in a draft that's not incredibly deep. Your worst case scenario is that next year's pick is in the same range, but in what folks are considering a much deeper draft. And who know, the Avs could always turn into a pumpkin the way this year's Islanders did and cough up a top-15 pick.

Hawks pass. It's going to take a top prospect like Byram or Newhook to pull of a Kane trade. Barron, Olausson, and the late 1st aren't locks to turn into top 6 or top 4 NHL players and that is what it would take.

As a dad, perhaps it's time to grow up and move on from what a young kid named Kane did with the cap driver 10 years ago

Keep him. Never going to get Byram or Newhook. Every fan on CF in any trade proposal with the Avs leads with “it’s going to take Byram or Newhook” well guess what they are almost as untouchable as Makar and MacKinnon. Their skill combined with being on ELC’s make them that way. And if it means the Avs aren’t getting that player. Fine.

Or maybe as a dad I’m not going to give a pass to a leader in the locker room as a team mate was abused and it was more important to win than do the right thing. But go ahead and tell me how to be a dad.

I tend to disagree with other CHI fans on the prospect of a Kane trade. Yes, he is still producing like age isn't even a thing, but age still factors into these things. Also, they would only be trading for Kane to be on their roster for 1.25 seasons. And I am assuming that if Kane were to accept any trade, he would probably want to come back and finish his career in CHI after next season and when the rebuild is a little further along. So any team that trades for him is probably not going to resign him. He is an ELITE but short term solution. That all being said, this is pretty close to getting it done in my eyes. MAYBE a little bit more value in there somewhere, but it's not far off.

LMAO you actually think Kane and others knew about that, a player who never played on the Blackhawks? Did you even bother reading the entire investigation and the reports? As a Dad, I'd hope you not jump on the band wagon of cancel culture and assume guilt just because someone said something.

Hawks have no reason to trade Kane, but it will take a bonfide top prospect plus to get him as it should.

Totally get it. Totally doesn’t make sense for COL.

They have plenty of reasons to trade Kane. He has another year left and Chicago is in the middle of a full rebuild. Assets like the ones above go a long way in building back up the pipeline. Avs give up their last two first round picks (Olausson and Barron) and their next 1st. Olausson and Barron have both had their stock rise since the draft.

I know it sucks to trade a franchise legend, but this return is entirely fair for Chicago.

There was just a article in The Athletic this morning talking about what it would take for Kane and they said the same thing I shared that it would take a bonafide top prospect plus. The Athletic is widely viewed as the best NHL coverage as well.

Kane sells tickets, and the Hawks aren't going to abandon revenues that easily during a rebuild. Kane also has said he wants to stay as recently as last week.

Agreed, plus it's not like Avs even have a 2022 1st - they spent it for Kuemper.

And this proposal is roster player + 2 top prospects + a first.

Yeah I read the whole thing, and there are very few particularly in leadership positions that don’t bare a serious amount of responsibility.

Need to include Byram in that deal to get 50% retained Patrick Kane with an additional year to his contract.

Like it or not, he's still one of the best RW in the game. Kinda stupid to bring up the cab bs. Yeah it is bad but that was a decade ago and it's not as bad as Mitchell Miller bs or even Logan Mailloux bs.

You can't just give a good prospect in Barron and a late 1st round pick. You have to include a blue-chip prospect. Pulling a Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars isn't going to work.

Then again, if a Patrick Kane trade involving Byram does go through either Sakic has finally moved on from patiently waiting for his crops to grow or something is wrong for Byram to no longer be untouchable.

Yep. Doesn't make sense for the hawks unless both Kane wants the move AND COL will part with one of byram or newhook. And doesn't make sense for COL to move either of those guys. That's why you won't see a Kane to COL post from me, or at least not a serius one

Id rather get Giroux, Miller, Hertl, Forsberg, etc before Kane. Kane is on the older side, most expensive, worst defensively, and apparently would still cost the most in a trade

Neither top prospect is a shoe in for a NHL job and less so a top 6 forward or top 4 d man. It will take that for Kane. Quantity doesn't equate to quality.

You clearly read the media spin and not the objective facts. Beach never played on the Hawks. The only time he would have been on the ice with the Hawks was during the preseason and even then, limited exposure. Keith, Seabs, Hossa, Toews, Kane, etc. are NOT responsible for what happened but you want to believe anything Beach and his attorney said who was going after a major lawsuit against the team in effort to get maximum exposure and damages awarded versus what all the players interviewed had to say; the question is why? This is the problem with society today, guilty in the court of public opinion even when the objective facts suggest nothing of the sorts. As a Dad it's important to sort through what is fact versus fiction and conjecture.

And as a Dad, I don’t blindly believe what’s spun out there. I find it ****ing hilarious that you are trying to minimize the contact a 1st rd pick taken 11th overall has with the team. Or ignoring the facts that there was more than 1 victim. But I guess I’m not apologist for a bunch of vile pieces of **** whose go to move is to scream cancel culture when something that makes me feel uncomfortable gets called out, or be a gullible sap that’s go to move is to instantly discount the victims.

They are literally the top 2 prospects for the Avs. Barron has already gotten NHL games and Olausson is having a superb D+1.



As a Dad, you also missed the part where Kyle Beach was a black ace for the playoffs. That’s when the assault took place. I’m not a fan of conjecture about whether we hold Kane accountable this stuff, but as a Dad it seems like you are also not reading the facts. The black aces were with the team during the playoffs during the cup run. As a Dad, it’s probably a good idea not to minimize how frequently the player was around the team at the time of their abuse.

As a Dad, nice language. The Hawks front office failed horribly, the coaching staff failed horribly, Kyle Beach himself failed by engaging in drugs and alcohol on multiple occasions with this guy and treating the woman they wanted to tag team with respect. Beach's own AHL roommate, who he's still good friends with to this day and stood up for racism in hockey, said he didn't know. But YOU...without a proper objective analysis, has assumed Kane, Toews, Keith, Hossa, etc. etc. all knew and should have done something about it. That, as Dad, shows how you've failed.