Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value

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Created by: ISeeBlueHeLooks

Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: May 24, 2022

Published: May 24, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

One of the biggest disagreements in the ACGMs seems to be over Tyler Bertuzzi's trade value. Most Wings fans insist it would cost an arm and a leg for a team to acquire him, while most other fan bases think they're not living in reality. The vast majority of Bertuzzi trade proposals by fans of other franchises are quickly rebuked by Wings fans with a, "Detroit declines", or a "Detroit declines, and it's not even close". That being the case I thought I might throw a bunch of Bertuzzi trade proposals out there to see if there could be some common ground found. For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:

1. Bertuzzi is a player valued highly by GMs due to his style of play and how it would translate in the playoffs. He plays a hard game along with being a talented offensive player.

2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.

3. The acquiring team goes into it with the idea of signing him to an extension so they aren't looking at it as a pure one year rental.

4. That his value lies somewhere between "three premium pieces (top prospect(s), high first round picks)" and "Kerfoot and a 2nd".

5. You have to give up value to get value. Paying for a really good player is going to hurt a little.

6. Yzerman would be fine signing him to an extension if the right deal doesn't come around.

In the end I tried to structure the proposals as either:

- a very good prospect and a mid to late first round pick
- a good prospect, a mid to late first, and a second
- two good prospects and a mid to late first
- in the case of Florida, since they have so few picks left, three good prospects and a late second.

Any of these move the needle for any side involved?

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Zadina, Filip	2	$1,500,000
Stephens, Mitchell	1	$750,000
Walman, Jake	1	$750,000
Brattström, Victor	1	$825,000
Pearson, Chase	1	$825,000

Trades

DET

Othmann, Brennan
2022 1st round pick (NYR)

NYR

Bertuzzi

DET

Knies, Matthew [Reserve List]
2022 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

Bertuzzi

DET

Stankoven, Logan
2022 1st round pick (DAL)

DAL

Bertuzzi

DET

Räty, Aatu
2022 1st round pick (NYI)
2023 2nd round pick (NYI)

NYI

Bertuzzi

DET

Evangelista, Luke
2022 1st round pick (NSH)
2023 2nd round pick (NSH)

NSH

Bertuzzi

DET

Holtz, Alexander
2022 2nd round pick (NJD)

NJD

Bertuzzi

DET

Faber, Brock [Reserve List]
Turcotte, Alex
2022 1st round pick (LAK)

LAK

Bertuzzi

DET

Benning, Michael [Reserve List]
Samoskevich, Mackie [Reserve List]
Sourdif, Justin
2023 2nd round pick (FLA)

FLA

Bertuzzi

DET

Holloway, Dylan
2022 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

Bertuzzi

10.

DET

Bolduc, Zachary
2022 1st round pick (STL)

STL

Bertuzzi

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $2,305,556
Frans Nielsen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Richard Pánik: $1,375,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$50,029,723	$0	$3,940,000	$32,470,277

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Vrána, Jakub $2,625,000$2,625,000 LW UFA - 2	Larkin, Dylan $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NTC UFA - 1	Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 2
Bertuzzi, Tyler $2,375,000$2,375,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Suter, Pius $3,250,000$3,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Zadina, Filip $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW RFA - 3
Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Veleno, Joseph $894,167$894,167 ($425,000$425K) C RFA - 1	Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 2
Erne, Adam $2,100,000$2,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Stephens, Mitchell $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Sundqvist, Oskar $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, C UFA - 1
	Bolduc, Zachary $894,167$894,167 LW RFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edvinsson, Simon $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 4	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Nedeljkovic, Alex $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 1
Walman, Jake $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 2
Johansson, Albert $820,000$820,000 ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 2	Lindström, Gustav $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Kampfer, Steven $750,000$750,000 RD UFA - 1	Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 3
Oesterle, Jordan $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Smith, Givani $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Andreasson, Pontus $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) C, LW UFA - 1

May 24, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.

justaBoss

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I kinda like the concept of this, but some of the valuations bug me. For instance, the LA and FLA trades. LA package is way more valuable than the FLA one. STL package also lack in value compared to EDM and NJ packages for example.

I find the differential between the packages a bit confusing.

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May 24, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

bagelbob

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^ you have LA giving up way more than any other team here which is odd (and i don't even like turcotte)

May 24, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.

Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Islanders dont do Raty one for one or 13 OA one for one lmao

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May 24, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.

Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Bertuzzi is not worth near almost any of these, either

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May 24, 2022 at 10:31 a.m.

Ritzy

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At the very least, EDM and TOR say absolutely not.

Not sure about the rest.

May 24, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.

MoreHitzSeider

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Nah. Apparently Bertuzzi is only worth a 4th liner, B level prospect and a 2nd round pick. We're much better off re-signing him.

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May 24, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.

Logan_Ollivier

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Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.

May 24, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.

dtd_tank

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Quoting: Ritzy

At the very least, EDM and TOR say absolutely not.

Not sure about the rest.

EDM likely says absolutely not, but IDK why the Leafs would. DET says no on the Leafs option.

Quoting: bagelbob

^ you have LA giving up way more than any other team here which is odd (and i don't even like turcotte)

I don't agree. Turcotte hasn't proven anything and Faber isn't all that special either. I'm not sure Detroit even accepts this one; mostly because Turcotte doesn't look like he'll peak out as anything more than a bottom 6 player at this point.

May 24, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.

Ritzy

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Quoting: dtd_tank

EDM likely says absolutely not, but IDK why the Leafs would. DET says no on the Leafs option.

As of right now, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada. So giving up Knies + a first for a guy who can't play here is why they say no.

May 24, 2022 at 10:44 a.m.

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dtd_tank

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.

You know how many times TML fans said last year that Robertson would be better than Bert this year so they wouldn't move him for Bert? Making the bet that Knies will be the same player as Bert is gambling on a few years of AM/MM/Nylander's primes hoping that this guy pans out based on his success in amateur leagues.

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May 24, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.

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dtd_tank

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Quoting: Ritzy

As of right now, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada. So giving up Knies + a first for a guy who can't play here is why they say no.

The OP specifically said:

Quoting: OP

For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:
2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.

May 24, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.

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DeadWingsv2

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His actual value is irrelevant, because both Bertuzzi and Yzerman have indicated there is no desire to move, so a team would need to overpay to make a deal. If I'm being honest, I don't think a team *should* pay, what he would cost to acquire and I don't see him being moved for that exact reason. Bertuzzi just had a kid and he and his fiancé have expressed their desire to stay and Yzerman wants to extend him, so why move him for anything less than a ransom?

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May 24, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.

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Ritzy

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Quoting: dtd_tank

The OP specifically said:

There's no guarantee that happens. We hardly see reported numbers anymore, let alone when further restrictions will be lifted.

So, like I said, as of right now TOR says no.

May 24, 2022 at 10:49 a.m.

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Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

Nah. Apparently Bertuzzi is only worth a 4th liner, B level prospect and a 2nd round pick. We're much better off re-signing him.

bro you have A prospects and top 10 picks getting moved for him lmao. he aint worth anywhat close to that lmao

May 24, 2022 at 10:51 a.m.

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MoreHitzSeider

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

bro you have A prospects and top 10 picks getting moved for him lmao. he aint worth anywhat close to that lmao

bro I have no interest in trading Bertuzzi lmao It's hilarious how all these fans of other teams want Bert so badly yet don't want to give anything significant up lmao

EDIT: When did Steve Yzerman become a complete dummy? According to CFACGM users he's supposed to be fleeced in every trade and run his team into the ground.

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May 24, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.

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buffbry

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.

Ratio

May 24, 2022 at 10:59 a.m.

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Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

Ok so for the islanders they should trade 13OA, a PPG 19 year old in LIIGA (former consensus 1OA pick) and a future 2nd for a PPG NHL player who is a UFA in a few years and has proven that he does not prioritize winning? Really? Id gladly take Nylander or Fiala before him and neither of them cost that much. Bertuzzi is getting back a first and young player. maybe 13OA and Bellows or something.

I am sorry but all of these are terrible. Not even close to fair value for him, huge overpays. Nobody is saying he is stupid but this post makes it seems as if the other 31 GMs are stupid

May 24, 2022 at 10:59 a.m.

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Chopper02

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.

He doesn't need the vax. He had covid already which makes his immune response to it more robust anyway. It's pointless for most people under age 65.

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May 24, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.

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Shibbal18

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2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.
Canada is the only problem here, and their leadership seems to live in a completely different dimension, so that may not be a given

May 24, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.

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Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Quoting: Chopper02

He doesn't need the vax. He had covid already which makes his immune response to it more robust anyway. It's pointless for most people under age 65.

thats just factually wrong. Like that is just not at all in the slightest true. Like quite literally, factually incorrect

May 24, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.

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MoreHitzSeider

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I'm not talking about the trades from this OP. I'm talking about CFACGM Bert trades in general. They're lowball rip off trade offers. Red Wings want him re-signed. Bert wants to stay here. Period. Why is this so hard to understand?

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May 24, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.

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Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Quoting: Shibbal18

its a bigger issue because it shows he is not willing to suck it up to win a cup. He prioritizes being selfish to winning. IDC your stance or not, but to be so stubborn that you wont get a shot to help your team win is stupid.

May 24, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.

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Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

because youre responding to this post lmao?

Bertuzzi is getting a first, young player and roster player. Not an A prospect

May 24, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.

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hero9154

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Rangers decline. Bertuzzi does not fix our need of a 2C.

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May 24, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.

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Way too much from NYI. Isles offer Bellows and a 2023 1st.

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