Why do the Avs give the two best pieces in that trade?

Xhekaj is worth alot more than that 1st.

Give him more than 8 games before saying that. Yeah he’s looked good but not worth a 1st. And even then

Girard > Xhekaj
1st >> Dvorak

I think they would rather take their chances at the draft. Dvorak hasn't even proven that he's a real 2C anyways, so they might not even end up filling their need.

I don't agree Girard is worth more than Xhekaj.

Dvorak is probably worth a late 1st or high 2nd.

He could split duties with Newhook for the next 2-3 years.

That would be okay if they weren't giving up Girard and the 1st.

Make it Girard+ a 2nd for Dvorak+Xhekaj (assuming he's the real deal) + a 1st.

Maybe drop the picks on both sides.


Your assessment for the Fiala trade comparison is off, Faber was considered a good RHD prospect, looking at the round he was taken is irrelevant.

Dvorak is not worth anywhere close to a 1st. Maybe a 3rd. And Girard is absolutely worth more than Xhekaj.

Proven top 4 dman on a good contract > unproven dman with 8 solid games

I rather keep Xekhaj! The other two trades i like it..

Kidney is also a good center prospect, producing very well since he was drafted.

As i said, Xhekaj is worth more than Romanov, so he's worth more than a 13th overall. Habs wouldn't trade him for less than that value.

The way i see it, the difference between Girard and Dvorak is equal to the difference between the Avs late 1st and Xhekaj's value (more than a 13th overall).

Girard is playing on the Avs 3rd pair right now. Xhekaj would be a better fit there, and adding Dvorak helps them at center.

5M defenseman playing on their 3rd pair while they lack toughness and center depth. Xhekaj and Dvorak fits that very well, for the same money.

I know Dvorak isn't worth much, but Xhekaj is worth alot more than Girard.

Dvorak... Has not been noticable this season at all. At his current point totals he's not worth much I'm afraid. Maybe by the TDL, if they keep Anderson on his wing instead of Dadonov...

PLD gets a better return at the the deadline

Girard > Dvorak
1st > Xhekaj

Works the other way around too.

Girard > Xhekaj
1st > Dvorak

You’re also using a widely accepted overpay of a deal, landslide really (https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609426) as the basis of your MTL-COL trade. If anything it probably serves as an example of what not to do lol

You’re insanely wrong. Girard is worth so much more Xhekaj. Kid has had a nice 8 games. Girard has had a nice 347 games. Girard is worth significantly more and is significantly better than him and Romanov. Dvorak sucks. COL wouldn’t trade either of those individual pieces for both of those guys.

Say you don’t know anything about a player or a team by quoting a depth chart. Tell me how Girard is 3rd pairing when he plays 19+ minutes and has the 4th most TOI amongst Avs dmen?

Zero chance Winnipeg accepts a lowball return with ridiculous conditions on the pick. The Jets get a far better return for Dubois as a rental.

All teams decline easily

-Meier should get more - not much more, but I'd say at least an additional 2nd or a prospect. Remember that Fiala's value was artificially lowered by the fact that Minnesota literally had no cap space to sign him, and every team making an offer for him knew that. It makes sense for the Sharks to trade him and try and get assets back for him, sure, but they're not in a situation where they *have* to move him and just take whatever they get for him.

-Winnipeg gets a better offer if they shop PLD around the league. Mysak's ceiling is a bottom-6 guy, and a late 1st probably returns a similar profile player. Not sure exactly what gets it over the top, but I think it needs something else.

-Colorado hangs up incredibly fast. You're not offering them anything worth a 1st here, much less including Sam Girard. Girard has proven himself as a top-4 D in this league and is signed to a very affordable deal going forward. Dvorak is a 3C on a contender - he's a 40 point guy with decent defense. Xhekaj has 8 games of playing 15 heavily-sheltered minutes for his NHL career - and comparing his value to Romanov is laughable. First, most folks agree that paying the 1st for Romanov was an overpayment; secondly, Romanov is only a year older than Xhekaj but already had 126 career games under his belt (including a full season averaging 20+ minutes per night) at the time of the trade. It's an awful comparison and frankly unfair to Xhekaj - a guy who can definitely be a good player but also a guy who 32 NHL GMs thought was, at best, the 223rd best prospect available each of his 2 draft-eligible years.

Faber is considered an A-prospect I think (edit: could find him in the top 50 prospect rankings last year) , but even if he isn't he's a guy they needed in their depth chart and is also a local player. So, they were high on him. So Kidney will have to be a guy that SJ really wants.

Look at it as the 13th OV might have been an overpay for Romanov (they probably think he's going to turn into Sergachev) but also take into consideration that there was so much uncertainty outside of the top 5 in last year's draft. So many players dropped, Kemell was projected to go top 10 but went 17th. Round 2 was considered an absolute lottery as opposed to the 2023rd draft where round 1 talent is expected to be drafted in the 2nd.

As for Girard, he plays on the 3rd pairing but he's playing top 4 minutes. It's just like how Tampa had McDonagh on the 3rd pairing.

Absolutely not close for San Jose. Add at least a top prospect, very low ball offer

Trade happens at the draft, when we know the pick is between 17 and 23.

I asked a couple Jets fans about possible return for PLD, both said a decent prospect and a 1st was the expected return.

As i said, trade value is the same as Fiala last summer. Similar players, similar context, similar return.

I think Meier will fetch the same return Fiala did because everyone knows SJ is shopping him.

Everyone knows PLD wants to play for MTL, the best Winnipeg will get is a rental return. Mysak comparable is Lehkonen, he's better than most people think.

As for Xhekaj, no way MTL trade him for less than Romanov, which was a 13th overall. I think COL would be better with Xhekaj and Dvorak instead of Girard. Xhekaj is definitly worth more than Romanov.

Yea, but he was worth a 1st and a 2nd a year ago. I'm lowering his value by half.