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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #9: Bruce, There it Goes

Feb. 7, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Jamie Benn won the Art Ross with 87 points in 2015
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
How can Red Wings fans still think Vrana has any trade value


When u find out let me know as somehow they think Larkin can get more than Horvat (with no extension talks or Career Year)
Feb. 7, 2023 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
When u find out let me know as somehow they think Larkin can get more than Horvat (with no extension talks or Career Year)


Larkin probably gets a higher AAV. He's been consistently a better player an is a 2 Way 1C
Feb. 7, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 7, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Larkin probably gets a higher AAV. He's been consistently a better player an is a 2 Way 1C


What I mean is more of a trade return

Which lets be honest would be surprised as rn hes got 43 points in 47 games including 15 goals

Horvat had 54 points in 49 games including 31 goals

Unless he comes with an extension I dont see a team topping what the Isles paid for Horvat for Larkin
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Sharkie69
there's some heated discussion in ACGM about if Trouba is good or not. what are your opinions?


He’s an average #4 D who also is the opposite of clutch. As the games get more important , the dumber his decision making is. Wouldn’t want him on a team I root for unless it was for close to league minimum
Feb. 7, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Larkin probably gets a higher AAV. He's been consistently a better player an is a 2 Way 1C


Wrong. He has been VEEY SLIGHTLY better offensively, but both are below average defensively
Feb. 7, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121


what's wrong with it?
Feb. 7, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Sharkie69
what's wrong with it?


Are you being sarcastic?
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 7, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
Quoting: Juiceman
Wrong. He has been VEEY SLIGHTLY better offensively, but both are below average defensively


Ehh I'd argue your wrong. I mean just looking at Jfresh's Model EV defense 20-23

Larkin:
20 - 91
21 - 78
22 - 37
23 - 94

Horvat:
20 - 10
21 - 44
22 - 23
23 - 48

Larkin has been well above average here for all but one year. Horvat has been slighly below average to well below average.

Larkin has also consistently outscored Horvat.
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Ehh I'd argue your wrong. I mean just looking at Jfresh's Model EV defense 20-23

Larkin:
20 - 91
21 - 78
22 - 37
23 - 94

Horvat:
20 - 10
21 - 44
22 - 23
23 - 48

Larkin has been well above average here for all but one year. Horvat has been slighly below average to well below average.

Larkin has also consistently outscored Horvat.


View their evolving hockey player pages. Neither player is that great defensively. Sure Larkin may be better, but neither are actually good
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:10 p.m.
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Was looking at Bertuzzi's stats as there are like a million ACGM's asking for a 1st and man I just cant see it

As this year in 18gp

2 goals 4 assists and a -8
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Was looking at Bertuzzi's stats as there are like a million ACGM's asking for a 1st and man I just cant see it

As this year in 18gp

2 goals 4 assists and a -8


2 goals in 17 games and they're asking for top prospects. genuinely deluded fanbase
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:37 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
2 goals in 17 games and they're asking for top prospects. genuinely deluded fanbase


Like a 3rd maybe with 50% ret as we know when healthy the guy can give u points and bring some physicality but man anyone who pays a 1st for him gonna look dumber than Zito with the Chiarot trade
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Ehh I'd argue your wrong. I mean just looking at Jfresh's Model EV defense 20-23

Larkin:
20 - 91
21 - 78
22 - 37
23 - 94

Horvat:
20 - 10
21 - 44
22 - 23
23 - 48

Larkin has been well above average here for all but one year. Horvat has been slighly below average to well below average.

Larkin has also consistently outscored Horvat.


Since Larkin entered the league (8 seasons including this seasons) Larkin has a higher PPG 4 times and Horvat has a higher PPG 4 times. Horvat has consistently been between 0.65 and 0.75 PPG (except this year) while Larkin’s scoring has been a bit more inconsistent (3 seasons below 0.6 PPG, 3 above 0.9 PPG)

Horvat also has a slightly higher goals per game. Larkin may be better, but it’s pretty close. As for trade value Horvat has the advantage of having a career best season this year, so I’d expect Larkin to get a similar return to him, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s slightly higher or slightly lower than what Horvat got. Any trade return and contract will be fairly similar imo
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Like a 3rd maybe with 50% ret as we know when healthy the guy can give u points and bring some physicality but man anyone who pays a 1st for him gonna look dumber than Zito with the Chiarot trade


nah zito is stuck with that awful awful trade
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:45 p.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121
nah zito is stuck with that awful awful trade


I mean if Someone pays a 1st for Bertuzzi with those stats Zito might get a break lul
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:46 p.m.
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Horvat goes to Isles

Isles start scoring more

He gets his first with em

Makes yah think lul
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:48 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
I mean if Someone pays a 1st for Bertuzzi with those stats Zito might get a break lul


is tyler hurt and having a bad year or is he just awful
Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:50 p.m.
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Goal for Horvat. I hope Bo plays well enough to keep the Isles out of the bottom 12, but not good enough to be a legit contender
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Goal for Horvat. I hope Bo plays well enough to keep the Isles out of the bottom 12, but not good enough to be a legit contender


Lol I was about to tag you saying that will likely happen
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Feb. 7, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Horvat goes to Isles

Isles start scoring more

He gets his first with em

Makes yah think lul


Nah he's a 3C
Feb. 7, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Nah he's a 3C


santeri is a 3c
Feb. 7, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Nah he's a 3C


Well that 3c got them scoring makes yah think lul
Feb. 7, 2023 at 10:02 p.m.
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SJS coming in clutch winning againt TBL. Hopefully CHI-ANA goes to overtime
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