They did, but I think O’Reilly was worth more than Tarasenko because he’s seen as more of a multi-dimensional player, he’s consistently elevated his game more in the playoffs (which is really what you want most from a rental), and until this season he’s been a lot less injury prone. A player’s trade value is determined by what other teams are willing to give for him. O’Reilly doesn’t have a no-trade clause so there were probably more teams bidding on him.

Bahaha

You make me think of my convos with my dad. I'm in my early 30s and for most of my hockey memory the red wings were either in the west or the Leafs or red wings were not competitive. So I have never felt a big rivalry. He on the other hand certainly does and calls your team the dead things. lol

Fine than $775,000 to 2.5 mill

People on this site are out to lunch if they think any GM is ever going to say something on record regarding a player they didn't end up getting. This is why I ignore most of what gets said on here because people forget so easily that whether a GM lands a player or not, professionalism is a must.

This.

How the hell did a washed OReilly at 32 get a better package than prime Horvat at 27

Chariot was a year removed from helping the Habs go to a cup final? He was known as a physical shutdown Dman. Both were playing terrible when they got traded and got a high amount for past performances. Again I know you aren’t bright but guys like chariot don’t win Norris awards lol. Ror was known for his 200 ft game and he’s been very average this year. Again not a hard concept to understand but you seem to struggle understand. It’s getting embarrassing

The more I think about this trade, the bigger the win I see for the Leafs (St. Louis did well and I am not debating that)

St.Louis is doing a great re-tool. 3 firsts now for this draft.

They are doing better than the teams focused on actually rebuilding, Removing UFAs and not young pieces for little. cough, chicago, cough

H didn't. A lottery protected first from a team in worse shape plus a very good prospect is worth more than what was paid here.
A) that ignores that Vancouver also got beauvillier
B) that ignores that acciari also was included for Toronto who has value as well
C) that ignores that there was more retention here

Saw this first thing in the morning and the first part I read is the Wild acquiring a 50% retained O'Reilly and thought "wtf did Guerin do" before the entire trade sunk in. Moment of panic there.

After a couple days of reflection, I'd like to change my "no" vote to Leafs "win".

I had to break the trade down, rather than seeing it as trading 4 picks, 2 prospects for ROR.

ROR = 1st, 2nd.
%50 retain = 3rd.
%25 retain = 4th.
Accairi = prospect (Abramov).
Pillar = Ahler (Gaudette).

Now if ROR does the same as Gio and resigns for 2 more years ($2 - $5 max) , even if the Leafs lose in the 1st Rd again, Dubas can keep his job.

That ignores Beauvilier was a cap dump on the market for over a year at no cost,
That ignores Acciari isnt close to a relevant asset
That ignores that horvat is much much better than Oreilly at this time

Ehh I wouldn't value Horvat much better. Horvat has been playing much better offensively for four months but is still way weaker defensively and O'Reilly is a proven repeat playoff performer.

Beuavillier is not a negative asset
Acciari is likely worth the third.

And the likely difference in pick location between toronto and the islanders is significant too. That has significant value even with the protection.

So Leafs have a great C depth but who do they address know for D...

So in theory, Ryan O'Rielly was a member of the wild for a moment

Why is Minnesota helping Toronto? I would ask 3rd round draft for O'Reilly cap hit retention. Take it or go to hell.

Even worse, the 4th Rd pick the Leafs gave them for retaining had the Wild send the Leafs a former unsigned 4th Rd'er back (Pillar), so basicly the Wild got future consideration by spending just under 2 million of their cap space.

Then Toronto would go to another team and say hey want to retain giving the Wild nothing

As the saying goes dont look a gift horse in the mouth

The Blues "win" this deal for sure. Armstrong might be one of the best GMs in the NHL at understanding where his team is at, and maximizing assets on UFAs when he knows his team isn't really in contention. He also seems to understand that assets you didn't acquire are just as harmful as assets you spend. He has other decisions that tend to be more questionable, but once he has decided his roster isn't a real cup threat, he doesn't beat around the bush with his UFAs, and now he has 3 firsts in a draft that could be franchise altering. I am no scout, but if this upcoming draft is actually as deep as say the 2003 NHL entry draft, 3 picks in the first found can end up creating a big chunk of a new young core to move forward with.

The Leafs didn't do terribly here either, they did get some valuable pieces, and they did trade away picks rather than near-NHL ready prospects as they understand the window is open, but it isn't one and done. Knies, Minten, Niemela could be useful players for them in very short order simply by being on ELCs and likely bridge deals at under their on ice value after that, and this team will need that to keep it's window wide opened. The big knock here is that this deal depends on a player that clearly isn't in his prime anymore, and there is a pretty wide range of what that might mean. It's fair to assume that some part of his decline is age related, and some is the impact of playing on a team that isn't that great, the tricky part is that this trade being good or bad will depend on how much each of those impacted O'Reilly's play, because if they just get more of what he looked to be so far this year in St. Louis, this will have been too expensive. So the deal has risks.

not sure i know what you mean, 16 teams make playoffs so that makes 16 out, once the first round is done even if they lose in the first round they have the highest regular season record which gives them the worst pick from the remaining teams, so unless there is a huge upset the leafs would fall 24 best case scenario, unless BOS, CAR or NJD get bumped in the first round which i doubt, no other teams would have a better record.

Wild take 50 percent retention and only get a 4th rounder out of it? Am I missing something? The Wild got hosed on this deal entirely.... geez

They retained 25%. Once the math works out, they ended up paying $74000 actual dollars for a 4th round pick.

MN wasn't going to sign Pillar this summer, so they're kicking the 4th down the road for 74k

Surprising how many people are giving St. Louis a win here.
Its a great deal for both teams and a huge W for the Leafs