I needed to do a triple take on that CHI trade. Just looks like overcomplicating things. Hawks don't need EDM to retain anything on Foegele's contract. They've got the space easy. But they sure as heck aren't PAYING for him. The best pick in that odd trade is going to EDM. That's not how cap dumps work. EDM will need to pay to get rid of him. How much is debatable, but he's not worth $2.75M.

EDIT, but I totally looked over that STL trade. Quadruple look. No one's paying for Yamamoto either. Certainly no 1sts will be involved.

Is Foegele really a cap dump? 2.7 for a 15 goal scorer. Honestly its pretty close to what he should be getting paid.
Goes up and down the line up. Penalty kills.

Foegele is scoring at a 1st line pace, he's big, fast and physical. He's top-10 in the league at creating scoring chances. Smart teams would snap him up for a 3rd.

Agree. Not sure why people always call him a cap dump.
I hope we keep him.

The blues aren't paying a first for Yamamoto. We don't need him on our roster and have better players on the wing

Why in the world would the Blues ever consider such a thing? Less than zero chance. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less.

would Toronto do that?

Not sure why Flyers do that. .

what does Toronto have to do with this trade?

they could use someone like him with Jarnkrok and Accari

Ya, that's not it for the Flyers. You can't just dump crap on someone and expect a franchise goalie in return.

A month of good play doesn't make Foegele of any value to the Hawks. He was clearly a cap dump headed up to the TDL. If Oilers can get a team to give them picks for Foegele, they should do that. It just won't be the Hawks.

These trades are all based on the premise that the entire NHL is looking to help EDM improve its roster. Every one of these trades is delusional.

2 goals in a month is "Good Play" according to you?

No. That's not. I thought his offensive production had picked up since the TDL. Hawks still aren't paying anything to acquire him though

EDM as a team in general is offensively VERY gifted. Best in the league. I'm not trying to tear down EDM as a team. I'm actually hopeful for them. Would love to see EDM make a deep run in the playoffs. BUT $2.75M for 12:41 ATOI?!?! It doesn't really matter what cherry picked stat line gets mentioned. I also have no issue with EDM just keeping him. That's great! That's not what this post proposes. EDM has ~$8M in cap space for 6-7 players next year. Clearly not impossible, but hard to get too much better (natural maturing of players like Holloway of course aside) without additional cap space.

CHI isn't in the business of doing favors for other teams. We'll sign our own players and develop our own prospects. If EDM's looking to get an additional $2.75M in cap space...ok we're listening...what else you sending?

As I said already, Foegele is not a cap dump. Edmonton isn't paying to move him. If Chicago isn't smart enough to see his positive value, there are plenty of teams who will.

Here's a 5v5 comparison between Foegele this year and Hagel last year - when Hagel returned two 1sts at the deadline.

G/60: 1.24 BH v 1.04 WF
P/60: 2.07 BH v 2.16 WF
IPP: 73.53 BH v 78.13 WF
Shots/60: 5.54 BH v 9.34 WF
Sh%: 22.39 BH v 11.11 WF
ixG/60: 0.52 BH v 1.21 WF
iSCF/60: 6.53 BH v 10.90 WF
iHDCF/60: 2.56 BH v 6.49 WF
Gv/60: 1.24 BH v 1.64 WF
Tk/60: 2.65 BH v 3.81 WF
Hits/60: 3.14 BH v 7.52 WF

Aside from shooting luck, Warren Foegele is a demonstrably better player. More physical, more involved in the play, goes to the net far more, wins more puck battles, and on and on.

Obviously Tampa got hosed on the deal, but pretending Foegele has no value is just plain ignorant.

This is a complete joke, right?!?! 59 points in 75 games, plays 18:50 a night. Amazing contract. If WF was SOOOO good, why doesn't EDM play him more? You're cherry picking stats and aren't able to see the forest through the trees. His CAREER ATOI is 13:03. He doesn't play because he's not that good. YES, he's on a VERY high scoring team, but until the coaching staff and management within the Edmonton Oilers start thinking he's a quality player...I ain't trusting you! Pitch these stats to Woodcroft. Good Luck.

Clearly I made this too complicated for you. I was comparing Hagel in Chicago last year with Foegele in Edmonton this year. I also only listed their 5v5 stats purposely in order to make it a fair comparison. When one player gets significant PP time like Hagel is this season in Tampa, you can't just look at raw points. I know this is hard, but try to follow along.


He plays LW. Who should he displace, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Evander Kane? Ice time isn't very compelling argument as it's roster specific.


Cherry picking stats? LOL, I basically posted ALL the stats. Unless you care who takes more minor penalties or who produces the most individual corsi events...


What does the team have to do with the fact that Foegele is top-10 in the entire league for ixG and iHDCF? He rarely plays with McDavid so that argument won't hold water. He's posting great results on his own merit.

That trade was done on contract, potential (not what he was currently doing), and being the TDL to a team that NEEDED cap friendly contracts. Perfect trifecta and JBB would do it all over again if he had the chance. I absolutely can look at an overall package and not cherry pick /60 because WF can't get decent ice time because his own coaches don't think he deserves it.



YES, if he's as good as you make him out to be, YES! No one should be untouchable. The best players should get the most ice time. His ixG and iHDCF are higher...that's all the matters right?



I can tell you Vasilevskiy is a great goalie, but with your logic it'll be because he leads the NHL in points (amongst all goalies)...and then try to have everyone pretend the whole "amongst all goalies" doesn't actually matter. Nothing to do with a GAA or SV% or Cups or Vezina voting.



TOP-10 IN THE LEAGUE!!! You don't see any flaws in this??? With your logic we should just have him replace Draisaitl...his ixG and iHDCF are higher and he's 53.8% at the dot! Just pretend he's got more than 13 faceoff attempts all year. It's true, but you'll find a way to pretend. What's his +/- per 60 against division rivals in away games? That'll mean stuff. Linus Ullmark leads the NHL in goals for goalies. Let's just have him play forward. Yeah, keep the pads on...probably helps him anyway. The league will be cool with it.