Cant see any scenario where the Sabres move 13th overall.

2024 1st probably on the table though

Actually, 2023 1st could be available depending how the draft shakes out. If someone they ranked 6th falls to 13 its definitely not being moved. but if the first 12 picks happen to be their top 12 guys, I could see them being more amenable to dealing it.

A Ranger trade that makes sense and helps both teams....I guess pigs do fly.

Then Pesce isn't. If Pesce's not signing an extension, he'll be dealt before the draft. That means any 1sts would need to be this year. Either that or someone like JJ Peterka would need to be on the table, and I thought 13th overall was better in that regard.

Think Drury-Jones is off the table now, they prob wouldn't have signed him if they'd trade him.

Wings pass, not something they would entertain

A Drury for Drury and Jones finally gets a solid NHL chance after losing his spot in New York to Ben FREAKING Harpur

I mean if they want to take a lesser deal for pesce thats fine. Its all moot, im 95% sure he re-signs.

You think Chris Drury is going to say no to his nephew?

I have no problem with it. Robertson should be ready to move up this year anyway so makes sense for both teams.

He was assistant GM at the time his nephew was drafted, and the Rangers drafted 3 spots before Carolina, so he's likely already done so. You think Tommy Fitz in Jersey is gonna trade for his nephew Kevin now that he wants out of Philly? No.

I mean Chris Drury hasn't exactly shown himself to make the smartest decisions so who knows

Sabres would switch the 2nd to 2024 for starters and we wouldn’t be able to make the trade until around pick 13. Value is fine just would require Reinbacher and Mitchkov to be off the board at 13

Too much for Pesce. 13 + 39 + a 24yr old RHD that plays over 20mins a night is a ridiculous ask. Drop the 2nd then maybe.

I doubt that Pesce gets moved, so I won’t get into that. And yeesh that Detroit move is terrible for the Canes. I get you don’t like Chatfield, but that is just a bad move.

How? You get two really young players from the same draft as Svechnikov and Kotkaniemi with NHL upside. Zadina's shot accompanying someone that is actually solid in terms of his underlying numbers is a safe bet. Veleno is there to make up the value, I don't think he's ever more than a 30 point guy at best, but Zadina is the point there, and it means the Canes clear up space at RD for a good positional player. Chatfield is overdependent on speed and offers little offense to help himself

More even.

The Ekholm trade is a good template, but needs to be adjusted for the fact Pesce only has 1 year left on his deal and he isn't as well rounded a player as Ekholm.

Edmonton traded:
Tyson Barrie · $4,500,000
Reid Schaefer · $0 (AHL/JR) (B prospect who was #32 OA the previous draft)
2023 1st round pick (EDM - #24)
2024 4th round pick (EDM)

And received:

Mattias Ekholm ($250,000 retained - 4%) · $6,000,000 for 3.5 seasons
2024 6th round pick (NSH)

This proposal is richer for less of a player with much less term.

Now correct it for Pesce being under the age of 30, and being one of the best RHD in the NHL, AND coming in at 66% of the cap hit.

This proposal reflects the fact Pesce is better, younger, and is very likely going to use Mattias Ekholm's deal as a comparable. It also reflects that Pesce is a RHD and not a LHD, a subtle difference, but it does make him more valuable.

The actual cap hit is basically meaningless - Buffalo is taking on an additional $1.5M in cap, exactly what Edmonton took on for Ekholm. And Pesce isn't better, he's one dimensional whereas Ekholm has an offensive component. Both are very good defensively.

You're ignoring the fact that Pesce has just 1 year left (and is unlikely to re-sign in Buffalo) while Ekholm had 3.5 years left. That has WAY more value.

Your valuation is too high. Start with the Ekholm deal and work down based on the factors listed.

LOL. It seems you don't actually watch anything other than Carolina hockey.

I agree. Nothing against Chatfield it just not the style of play Detroit is looking for.

I wouldn't say this move is off the table...Canes have a hole to fill at 3LD. The way that team plays D, I'm sure there will be a few cheap, serviceable options out there. But adding Jones- not only might he be serviceable...he could have top 4 potential with them. And with 2 years of dirt cheap cost control? His return to NYR would have to go up. And don't forget- NYR also have a 3LD hole to fill.

If Pesce is moving okay but subsequent moves are bad for carolina.

Z jones isn’t good and we don’t do undersized, soft playing defensemen.
Chatfield isn’t moving.
Walker brings TK’s value down, doesn’t add to it

Zadina has an amazing shot, but he also likes to try to use it when he is on the boards. He isn’t Ovechkin in that regard, where he can just make it work, and he doesn’t have the offensive output to make up for when he doesn’t shoot as well as his virtually useless defensive nature. As for Veleno, he likely holds no value whatsoever to the Canes. He is just another bottom 6 C, of which the Canes have several that will be fighting for a roster spot on the Canes (Drury if he isn’t moved, Suzuki, Rees, Ponomarev, Robidas, etc), and Veleno doesn’t do anything positive defensively either.

Frankly, that 3rd could develop into someone with a more of an impact for the Canes than either of Zadina/Veleno, and with the uncertainty around Pesce, Chatfield needs to be kept around for a little bit.

The Rangers likely value their in house, cheap (and higher potential) LHD option (to fill that hole you said) higher than trading him in division for Drury, a bottom 6 piece.