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(MTL/WSH) - Edmundson for 2024 3rd (MIN), 2024 7th (WSH)

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 12:55 p.m.
#51
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The player is good but his back is shot, his play style doesn't fit his body anymore which makes him look so bad. It's basically like a fast player having a busted ankle, it just isn't working anymore so good luck in Washington but I wouldn't be surprised if that's his last year in hockey.
31 years old with over 21 millions in the bank, take a bow and save your back.


That 2021 cup run ended the careers of Weber/Price and likely Edmundson. I had him on the LTIR in most of my ACGMs. Washington always made sense tho. Maybe they can pull a Vegas with the Stone situation.
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Jul. 1, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.
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They paid for the retention. Seen worse
Jul. 1, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Good deal, Edmundson is a solid #4 D


lol no
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Jul. 1, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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lol no


Edmundson is a solid 3rd pairing defender, not a solid 2nd pairing defender.
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Jul. 1, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Low risk trade for WSH at $1.75mil AAV. If they get steady Eddy from the 2021 playoffs, it’s a steal, if they get the player from last season (always injured, and barely an NHLer when healthy) it’s an overpay.

MTL wins regardless of Edmundson outcome. They free up cap and a roster spot, and LD is still loaded with better Dmen:

Matheson
Guhle
Xhekaj
Harris
Jul. 1, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Eddy's a good dman. By the end of the year Caps fans will want him re-signed and if they get into the playoffs, they'll be praising him. Just a matter of time.
Jul. 1, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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seems like good value for montreal, but whos going to play defense for that team?
Jul. 1, 2023 at 7:31 p.m.
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seems like good value for montreal, but whos going to play defense for that team?


Matheson-Savard
Harris-Guhle
Xhekaj-Kovacevic

Widemen 7th D

Barron/Norlinder/Struble in the AHL
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:08 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Matheson-Savard
Harris-Guhle
Xhekaj-Kovacevic

Widemen 7th D

Barron/Norlinder/Struble in the AHL


Barron is going nowhere. He may not have the upside of Guhle/Reinbacher but he’s a solution on the right
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.
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Barron is going nowhere. He may not have the upside of Guhle/Reinbacher but he’s a solution on the right


Barron is Laval bound IMO. He only played in the NHL last year because of Injuries. Let him rippen in the AHL. Next year Savard is gone, then we replace Barron with Reinbacher
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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Barron is Laval bound IMO. He only played in the NHL last year because of Injuries. Let him rippen in the AHL. Next year Savard is gone, then we replace Barron with Reinbacher


Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Reinbacher

That certainly looks like the top 4 going forward but Barron, I’d say, is more certain than Harris or Xhekaj staying with this team from 2024 to beyond
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Reinbacher

That certainly looks like the top 4 going forward but Barron, I’d say, is more certain than Harris or Xhekaj staying with this team from 2024 to beyond


By the time Reinbacher/Hutson are in Montreal, I don't see Matheson still being here.
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
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By the time Reinbacher/Hutson are in Montreal, I don't see Matheson still being here.


2024?
Reinbacher is already skating in Mtl and probably would play this year if not for his school commitments
Jul. 1, 2023 at 8:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
2024?
Reinbacher is already skating in Mtl and probably would play this year if not for his school commitments


If he signs a contract this year, He will be in Laval, not Montreal. There's no chance management would expose him to the media as an 18 YO. He's not NHL ready
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 1:22 a.m.
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I remember that time a reporter for the Habs suggested that Edmonton would trade a 1st round pick + their top prospect for Edmonton
How the turntables
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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I remember that time a reporter for the Habs suggested that Edmonton would trade a 1st round pick + their top prospect for Edmonton
How the turntables


Context matters.
That was if he was healthy without questions which haven't been answered. They could have gotten more had they waited to TDL, maybe, but making room for their kids is a priority. This isnt a contending team but are going through a development stage with MSL. Maximizing assets doesnt come ahead of development.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.
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Looks like Eddy wasn’t a cap dump. Another Hughes W

At $3.5M he was a cap dump. They had to retain 50% to get any value (and even then the Caps overpaid).
Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:27 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Edmundson is a solid 3rd pairing defender, not a solid 2nd pairing defender.


He wasn't even that last year. If his back heals up maybe he gets back to being a solid 3rd pairing defenseman, but we'll see.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:28 p.m.
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Well, well, well. Isn't what we've been saying all along... Big Ed isn't a capdump!

It may not be a 2nd, but a 3rd + is pretty decent return.


I don't think anyone was too concerned about him being a dump. It was that "1st and a prospect" era of AGMs that drove us all nuts. Anderson and Dvorak are the dumps (at full cap). Edmundson as a 1.75m player is fine.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:30 p.m.
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I don't think anyone was too concerned about him being a dump. It was that "1st and a prospect" era of AGMs that drove us all nuts. Anderson and Dvorak are the dumps (at full cap). Edmundson as a 1.75m player is fine.


They are dumps at full cap hit right now because it's July. Come next February they are worth a 1st +. It's just how the economy works in the NHL
Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:34 p.m.
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They are dumps at full cap hit right now because it's July. Come next February they are worth a 1st +. It's just how the economy works in the NHL


Nobody is paying a 1st for dvorak or anderson in february. MAYBE once the cap rises significantly and teams have more room, then someone will be able to splurge on Anderson, but right now none of the possible buyers have room to give up a haul for an overpaid depth guy. You'd need significant retention to get that.

This is the argument all of us had about Edmundson, there are better options for cheaper. Just like nobody was ever delusional enough to fall for Habs fans assessments of Edmundson, they won't fall for these outrageously high assessments of these guys.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Quoting: Wqrrior
I don't think anyone was too concerned about him being a dump. It was that "1st and a prospect" era of AGMs that drove us all nuts. Anderson and Dvorak are the dumps (at full cap). Edmundson as a 1.75m player is fine.

Lehkonen was the capdump, then Chiarot was the capdump, then Edmundson was the capdump...

Look at you moving the goalposts.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.
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Lehkonen was the capdump, then Chiarot was the capdump, then Edmundson was the capdump...

Look at you moving the goalposts.


There's a market economy in the NHL. You just have to figure out when to buy, and when to sell. Edmundson would've been gone for a 1st + at last years TD if he didn't have those back issues.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 7:15 p.m.
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Lehkonen was the capdump, then Chiarot was the capdump, then Edmundson was the capdump...

Look at you moving the goalposts.


I'll eat crow about Lehkonen, but I don't believe I am moving any goalposts for any of the others. Chiarot is a trade the Panthers drastically overpaid for and obviously regret. Nobody saw that as a good deal. And Edmundson went for almost exactly what I think he was worth. I never called him a dump; just said it was ludicrous that he would pull a first. And I'll stick to the same standard regarding Dvorak and Anderson. In this cap constrained NHL, those guys are not getting top value on their full cap hits.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Edited Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
There's a market economy in the NHL. You just have to figure out when to buy, and when to sell. Edmundson would've been gone for a 1st + at last years TD if he didn't have those back issues.


That's a big IF since back problems don't just disapear.

Yes offer and demand tldo make prices fluctuate. IDK if the market was so high at the last TDL (compared to the year prior with Chiarot). I only remember Orlov going for a 1st+ and Schenn for a 3rd as UFA defensemen. Big Ed, in game shapish, was somewhere in between.
 
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