Trading John Gibson

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Created by: OldNYIfan

Team: 2023-24 Anaheim Ducks

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 3, 2023

Published: Jul. 3, 2023

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I'll assume that all the rumors about John Gibson wanting to move on are legitimate.

Okay, I've been "talking the talk" every time (long before this week) that John Gibson's name has come up as a possible trade element, so I thought that it was time for me to "walk the walk" and say what I think is the right value for him if the Ducks indeed have to move him. This way, when it happens, everyone will have the chance to make fun of me. It's the least I can do in the service of intellectual honesty.

The assumption here is that he goes for a 2024 first-round draft pick and an A prospect. Since most of those prospects are RWs (our position of greatest weakness), I put the first (Guenther) in that spot and the others on the putative Taxi Squad so as not to clutter up the entire presentation. I've tried to include every team I thing MIGHT be interested in him.

I'm sure that we'll all have fun seeing how far off I am.

In alphabetical order only:

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Carlsson, Leo		3	$950,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Zegras, Trevor	8	$7,750,000
Terry, Troy	7	$7,142,857
Drysdale, Jamie	2	$2,000,000
Dostal, Lukas	2	$1,000,000
Groulx, Benoit-Olivier	2	$900,000

Trades

ANA

Guenther, Dylan
2024 1st round pick (ARI)

Additional Details:

I highly doubt that the Desert HangDogs will include Logan Cooley no matter how unhappy he seems to be at the prospect of playing before intimate crowds.

ARI

Gibson, John

ANA

Quinn, Jack

Additional Details:

2024 first-round draft pick

BUF

John Gibson

ANA

Beaucage, Alex

Additional Details:

2024 first-round draft pick

COL

Devon Toews would be nice, but I don't see that happening

ANA

Johansson, Albert

Additional Details:

Boston's 2024 first-round draft pick

DET

probably the low end of the range

ANA

Additional Details:

2024 first-round draft pick

EDM

I can't see us trading him intra-divisionally

ANA

Bernard-Docker, Jacob

Additional Details:

2024 first-round draft pick

Anaheim might prefer a NHL-ready RhD to a RW inasmuch as JBD is ahead of Helleson, Luneau and Warren in development

OTT

I find it hard to believe that Gibson would waive his NTC for Ottawa or that the Senators would give up their second first-round draft pick in a row

ANA

Blomqvist, Joel

Additional Details:

2025 first-round draft pick
2024 second-round draft pick

PIT

Given the weakness in Pittsburgh's prospect pool, which literally has NO ONE in whom I'd be interested, two draft picks seem right

Buyouts

Simon Despres: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$83,500,000	$69,099,941	$0	$4,332,500	$14,400,059

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
McTavish, Mason $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) C, LW RFA - 2	Zegras, Trevor $7,750,000$7,750,000 C, LW RFA - 3	Terry, Troy $7,142,857$7,142,857 RW UFA - 7
Killorn, Alex $6,250,000$6,250,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 4	Carlsson, Leo $950,000$950,000 C RFA - 3	Guenther, Dylan $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Vatrano, Frank $3,650,000$3,650,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Strome, Ryan $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C UFA - 4
Henrique, Adam $1,456,250$1,456,250 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1	Lundeström, Isac $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, LW RFA - 1
McGinn, Brock $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Nesterenko, Nikita $925,000$925,000 C RFA - 1	Silfverberg, Jakob $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Jones, Max $1,295,000$1,295,000 LW, RW RFA - 1		Carrick, Sam $425,000$425,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Regenda, Pavol $855,000$855,000 ($57,500$58K) LW, RW RFA - 1		Leason, Brett $775,000$775,000 RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Fowler, Cam $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3		Campbell, Jack $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
	Drysdale, Jamie $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD RFA - 3	Dostal, Lukas $1,000,000$1,000,000 G RFA - 2
LaCombe, Jackson $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Gudas, Radko $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3
White, Colton $762,500$762,500 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Vaakanainen, Urho $850,000$850,000 LD/RD RFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Quinn, Jack $863,333$863,333 ($0$0$0$0) ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Beaucage, Alex $878,333$878,333 ($0$0$0$0) RW RFA - 1
Johansson, Albert $820,000$820,000 ($0$0$0$0) ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 1
Bourgault, Xavier $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) ($250,000$250K) RW RFA - 2
Bernard-Docker, Jacob $805,000$805,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD RFA - 2
Blomqvist, Joel $886,667$886,667 ($0$0$0$0) ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 3

Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:28 p.m.

wojme

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I would lower expectations on the return for Gibson, especially for the sabres. Zero shot Jack Quinn is involved in any goalie trade.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:30 p.m.

Lavallois

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This isn't 2016 anymore. Gibson is consistently one of the worst goalies season after season nowadays. The Ducks aren't getting pieces like Quinn, Guenther in return.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:31 p.m.

GeneralLandro

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To me it’s either Buffalo or the Devils — most likely the Sabres

I do TT honk he is moved because Gibby’s agent proved me right and you can’t trust Frank with anything to do with Anaheim

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:36 p.m.

GiggywithGibby

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Seravalli is wrong, again

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:39 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

Seravalli is wrong, again

I sure hope so.

cheers

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:40 p.m.

MitchJr

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Gibson is just not a goalie of interest anymore, too many years of poor & deteriorating performance combined with his contract (cap hit & term) and Hellybuck (maybe Saros) is a better option for an impact goalie.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:42 p.m.

Xqb15a

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AZ isn’t touching that, COL has zero interest in Gibson, the others would be interested.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.

Birtle34

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Arizona is happy in net, they love the bargain hunting in net. The right Center or dman is a possibility, but standing Pat in net.

Jul. 3, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Xqb15a

AZ isn’t touching that, COL has zero interest in Gibson, the others would be interested.

Just between you and me and a couple of my other Avs friends, I was sneaking in the team I'd most like to see him join, for his success.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.

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McRanteskog

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Gibson going for a 2024 1st and an A prospect? Lol what ?? He’s been trash 4 consecutive years and that contract is an anchor. Gibson at 50% retained gets the conversation started

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 11:05 p.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: McRanteskog

Gibson going for a 2024 1st and an A prospect? Lol what ?? He’s been trash 4 consecutive years and that contract is an anchor. Gibson at 50% retained gets the conversation started

Unworthy of response.

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 11:08 p.m.

#12

McRanteskog

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Unworthy of response.

Which part? The part that Gibson has had 4 consecutive years of decline? Or the part that no team in their right mind would pay a goalie that money based on the track record he’s had of late?

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Jul. 3, 2023 at 11:24 p.m.

#13

RedWing9119

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Detroit has 3 goalies under contract, 2 of which we just signed. We pass and without being insulting; I think you're being incredibly optimistic on the return from Detroit.

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 12:25 a.m.

#14

Dcochy

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This is crazy stuff.
Gibson would not even get claimed off waivers!
Foolish stuff

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.

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OrganizedConfusion55

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Lol. Buffalo isn't doing that.

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.

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OrganizedConfusion55

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Unworthy of response.

Lol

Jul. 4, 2023 at 12:35 a.m.

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OrganizedConfusion55

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

To me it’s either Buffalo or the Devils — most likely the Sabres

I do TT honk he is moved because Gibby’s agent proved me right and you can’t trust Frank with anything to do with Anaheim

No it's not. The sabres aren't doing this trade. It's laughable.

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 12:49 a.m.

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-the Sabres

ZERO CHANCE
That proposal is bananas

Jul. 4, 2023 at 2:13 a.m.

#19

Billy12Bob

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Detroit offers you Reimer and Zadina.

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 4:27 a.m.

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aedoran

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

Seravalli is wrong, again

When is he right?

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 6:32 a.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: RedWing9119

Detroit has 3 goalies under contract, 2 of which we just signed. We pass and without being insulting; I think you're being incredibly optimistic on the return from Detroit.

Quoting: Billy12Bob

Detroit offers you Reimer and Zadina.

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm still a believer that he's worth a first and a prospect, but we'll see. I'm prepared to be as horribly wrong about Gibson's value as I was about LA's interest in Pierre-Luc DuBois.

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Jul. 4, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.

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RedWing9119

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Quoting: aedoran

When is he right?

Hey if you make up enough sh*t some of it's gotta be true, right?

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