All Fanbase's have about 10% ratio of stupid fans
With teams like the Original 6 our Fanbase is highest.
So as a result our Volume of stupid fans are higher.

I am convinced many of those really bad fans are actually trolls who pretend to be leaf fans to troll leaf fans

This is exactly correct. I'd add, it's up to the 90% to politely guide the 10% to some form of sanity.

As for the comments. If Gretzky can be traded...anyone can. I don't think TOR wants to trade Nylander. It's just that he's asking for WAY to much money. Unfortunate position they're both in. He saw AM and MM get big money, but he's not on the same level of those guys AND covid kept the cap down.

I have more respect for Leafs fans who realize they need to break the top 4 to improve their Dcore than the ones preaching the status quo after 5 years of total utter failure. But that's just me.

Well said, TBH even as a Habs fan, I agree with you on all your points. The Leafs are setup to be very good this year, Treliving did the one thing that Dubas could never figure out, he built a team setup for both regular season and playoff success. Bertuzzi and Domi additions will have a night and day effect on the playoff success, The D is solid with the addition of Klingberg who is underrated for his 2 way play (better younger Petry IMO), the goaltending on paper looks shaky but I think it will surprise a lot of nay sayers.

Pretty sure most people hate them too lol. Leafs have been my 2nd team since 1995 so I’m not one of them but ya lots of leaf haters.

Last season was their best yet with that core. Why break it up now?

Dump Lafferty and Timmins. They’re AHLers.

On this site, sure, 10% sounds right, but this is a place that people actively seek out to talk about hockey. The real world percentage is unfortunately much higher lol

Leafs fans used to tell me you could never win a Cup with Phil Kessel. He was all me, me, me. I told them Phil Kessel was not the problem in Toronto. I said all he needed was to get out of Toronto and he'd win a Cup.

I was wrong. Phil Kessel has won 3 Cups since he left Toronto. Of course these same clowns told me he had nothing to do with winning them. Ok so Phil didn't play much in the Vegas Cup run. But he did during the season. He'll get his 3rd Cup ring.

Back in 1997, Leafs fans hated Larry Murphy because he was making 3 mil. He was "so bad" apparently and "just had to go. Worst Defenseman in the NHL!"

Leafs GM Mike Smith deals him to Detroit at the trade deadline. Murphy pairs with Nick Lidstrom and he wins back to back Cups just like he did years earlier in Pittsburgh.

The Leaf clowns said "well he was playing with Lidstrom." So Murphy had nothing to do with the 2 Cup wins? Nope. Worst Defenseman in the NHL!

Oh by the way. Leafs paid half of Murphy's salary the next season too. But at least they got future considerations in return for albatross Murphy.

Funny how right now, every sane person would take Larsson before Hall

The Reaves overpay will help with all the fines he will receive as a Leaf

Why would the Leafs give away a 5th round pick with Lafferty?

They can simply put him on waivers. Another team might claim
him, or his entire salary can be buried and he plays for the Marlies.

it reminds me when edomton decided to do the same. traded eberle and hall and went horribly for them.

Why so emotional? I never understood why people get upset with fun trade ideas that others post on this site. This site is meant for that… exploring fantasy trades. The only reason why Brodie and Nylander are always a part of fantasy trades is bc trading them frees up cap to get a decent player back or make multiple other trades to make things fun. Instead of a lacklustre Lafferty trade.

Ha...

So you talk about how this team needs more offense then roll out a bottom 6 with two centermen who are offensive blackholes and waste Knies on Kampf's wing. Which one of those D pairings are you giving the toughest matchups to in the playoffs?

Oh, and you're still over the cap. OF course we can't afford to lose Nylander though, where would Matthews and Bertuzzi be without him on their wing?

The trade I proposed was not Nylander for Pesce, it was Nylander and Brodie for Pesce and Skjei, the latter two who formed the Canes top shutdown pair and were second in expected goals and shot attempts league wide, with Skjei tying Josi and Burns for 3rd in goals by defensemen with 18 despite not getting PP1 time.

Hey true fan make sure you put that you want to send timmins down cause you can't afford him. You guys are always over the cap and don't want to address it. So it's Robertson, Lagesson or some UFA player as your 21st guy.

The Brodie buyout/trade for pennies talk was pure speculation. It made no sense to do. I don't ever think there was any truth to that to begin with. I think some Leafs fans are just so desperate for change that they were willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

The Nylander stuff I think you may be slightly off on. Pesce is a good dman. Hanifin is a good dman. They are not comparable to Larsson in the slightest although Larsson finally seems to have taken a step towards being a decent player at the age of 30! Their next contracts will be cheaper than Nylander's too so if the goal is to shore up defense at the cost of offense, this isn't a bad route as it will give the Leafs more cap flexibility. Plus their might be more to the deal too so who knows. Nylander at even 9M would be a terrible mistake IMO. The team has too many high cost contracts as is and another one would all but ensure they would be capped out for the next couple years. If a deal for picks and prospects was offered that was fair, that could be another option but so few teams have 9M in cap to just add next year so chances are even a picks/prospects trade would involve some cap going back in the deal.

Jarnkrok may be tough to move at this juncture despite being a good player. I think the best bet would be to move other players if cap is an issue. Wait till next year when cap goes up to move him if still needed.

Reaves contract was so silly. I don't mind the idea, I think a tough guy like Reaves may give some added back bone to guys like Matthews and Marner etc but I cannot fathom how those negotiations went. I mean if that is what it took to convince Reaves to come to TOR, than they should have looked elsewhere. Every penny is soo valuable to TOR that spending 1.3M for Reaves was an unnecessary decision to make.

As for the fan base, its the unfortunate dichotomy of having a big fan base to begin with. So many voices, some are bound to be far off the center line. I think the lesson here is not let ppl's opinions bother you so much, especially when they have no barring on what actually happens in the NHL. I think ppl often forget that.

Can I just expand upon this? Please,

to the owner of this thread, it's August 2023... I get Matthews, Nylander and co aren't resigned but it's summer, with nice beautiful days outside and hockey season rolling around the corner... no need to stress out over random fantasy trades from fans who want the next shiny object (key word; fantasy)... So, take a break, relax and enjoy your summer/fall/winter/srping until April, where all the stress ramps up to 100/10

As an EDM fan, I miss Larson 100000% more than Hall. Trade was obviously a bit one sided, but damn would I love to have Larson instead of Ceci.

Because if winning one round is your best, your team isn't very good.

NYI, a team most people call average, won 6 playoffs rounds in the same period. But they have defense.

You signed dinosaur Toews as your 3C and both him and Kampf had 30 points. At least Kampf contributes defensively.

Pesce is pretty comparable to Larsson in that they are both "top pairing" DFD's. Neither of which are worth a point per game player.

Only took Larsson how many years to bounce back? The original team that traded for him got rid of him because he sucked. Not trying to recreate that.

NYI have had some runs but are now heading towards the retirement home and handing out 7 year contracts like candy. 0 cups with that core so who really cares