I like this a lot for MTL. It could make sense for CHI as they are getting a vet, but that could still play many seasons

I could tell this was made by a Habs fan. Why would they pay two seconds for an overpaid third liner, who is still not cleared to play after a knee injury and surgery, and a back up goalie?

Agreed Dvorak value is low right now. He will easily return something decent when he's healthy and a year less term. The Habs need Dvorak rn with Monahan injury concerns, Dach moving to the wing and a struggling Jake Evans. Dvorak is only 27, he wins draws and can matchup against other teams top lines in a pinch. Nothing close to what they originally paid with a 1st and 2nd but easily a 2nd plus.

Picks are going the wrong way. Dvorak is an overpaid, mediocre 3C who has never put up 40 points and is a defensive liability

^This

I don't think it's an overpayment Andrew Shaw got picked up for two second round picks. He's a decent veteran and a Chicago native.

He's better than Andrew Shaw who got picked up for two seconds.

Just dont think Chicago is the team to take him on. In that case every Quebecois should be moving to Montreal which isnt the case. Teams like Vancouver, Boston make more sense.

Probably but Chicago has the extra picks Boston and Vancouver doesn't.

Doesn’t make sense for the Canucks. He’s not better than Suter, and Suter is significantly cheaper. Unless we are getting a significant sweetener to take on his contract then we don’t have any interest

Agreed. Year 2 of a rebuild and they are giving up 2 2nd rd picks for a 32yr old back up goalie and an overpaid 3C.

Dvorak isn't good enough at his salary to elevate him out of the group of useful but roster inhibitive players who are struggling to find homes in the current market.
That's not a knock on his ability, but the reality of the current cap landscape.
He's a luxury at a time when teams that are looking for a competitive edge don't have the cap space to afford such a luxury and his usefulness in a role on a developing team can be had for much less.

That could change as soon as the deadline with retention (performance dependent) or for next season, but if Montreal is looking to move him any time soon it will be for little to no value.

You could argue Montreal needs him to support the development of our young forwards, but we also have players looking to crack a center role soon. Our center depth isn't critical right now because this is another development year, and we can also dip into the cheaper alternatives if we were to trade Dvorak.

In short, giving him away without retention would be valuable enough without expecting anything additional in return.

Why would anyone care that he is from Chicago? Dvorak is an overpaid, injured, underperforming 3rd liner, that along with an average at best back up goalie does not get you two 2nd round picks.

Since the Hawks don’t need either and would unnecessarily be adding cap, they will require the Habs to SEND draft picks along with Dvorak and DeSmith, not the other way around.

To think Montreal could command Dickinson and 2 x 2nd round picks for that duo is laughable.

Seems like a bit of an overpayment

Players care about playing in their hometowns. This year Jeff Petry and Alex DeBrincat both Michigan native are happy to play for their home State. We all love Quebec and french Canadians playing with the Habs. Columbus has 4-5 former Jr Blue Jackets on their roster. Being surrounded by friends and family are a plus for the players and their families. I could go on and on but people care maybe you don't but some do.

Players might care, but Hawks GM doesn't care.
1. Hawks don't need Dvorak. He does nothing for their roster in the stage they are in during their rebuild. Hawks have already brought in the "veteran presence" for Bedard.
2. Hawks don't need a goalie. They have 4 under contract (2 for NHL, 2 for AHL).

So how does trading 2 players to the Hawks that provide them with no value warrant not just 1, but 2 2nd round picks? The answer is it doesn't. Hawks say no.

Playing for a hometown is a perk for a lot of players, but you have to keep in mind this is a business above all else. Dvorak doesn't have a say in where he is traded to and Chicago has enough vets to still suck but give the young guys experience. The amount of players playing in their hometowns is FAR outweighed by players playing elsewhere. It's a good story when it happens, but certainly isn't the basis for a trade.

There's probably an equal chance that the Hawks trade Bedard to Montreal as there is of this trade happening. Meaning no chance at all. Two 2nd rounders and Dickinson for Dvorak and DeSmith? That is pure fantasy. Forgetting that the Hawks DON'T NEED either player, Neither of those guys are worth anything close to a 2nd. Dvorak returns nothing. He takes a pick attached to dump. DeSmith might get a late round pick back, but not from the Hawks. Hawks happily keep Dickinson and their two picks.

Players may like playing in their hometown but that doesn’t mean the team is going to trade for them Just because they are a home town kid. The team and GM also get a say in whether or not they want the home town player.

Dvorak doesn’t make the Hawks better, so why would Davidson trade for him AND give up two 2nd round draft picks…. He wouldn’t unless the Habs offer up draft capital.

A bit? That is very polite of you.

I could see a 2nd and a 3rd all day long but yeah this is too much

Dickinson outscored Dvorak last season. He also makes about $1.7m less this upcoming season.

Dvorak has proven to be a 30-35 point 3rd line centre who is overpaid by $1.5m - 2m per season for the next two years.

DeSmith is an average at best backup who the Hawks don’t have a need or spot for in their organization.

The only team benefiting from this proposal is the Canadiens who will free up $3.5m in cap space this season and $4.45m next season. In order to acquire that cap space, it is Montreal who should be sending the picks to Chicago, not the other way around.

Please stop handing us more criminals along with Dvorak who we’ve told you time and time again we don’t want

I'm sure you like this a lot for MTL. This is bad for Chicago, not a chance they touch it.

Awful proposal. You should delete this.