There is no way Chicago does that deal.

Why would CHI do this lmao

Cus they think Lucas Raymond is that good like a lot of Red Wings fans on here

That's an easy no from the Caps

Chicago easily does that deal. Raymond is a stud.

Not according to GhostGM92! 50P pace in your first two seasons means he's a bust.

>complains about me not giving constructive criticism and always disagreeing with his statement
>says this

Detroit says no to all of these.
Vancouver and Washington both also say no.

Ghost has lost his mind.

He took a slight step back in year 2 but he was 20 years old for most of that year. 50P pace as a 20 year old is quite rare. Of course year 2 was worse than year 1, so I can understand why people are less excited about him now than after his rookie year. But It would not surprise me to see Raymond drop 30 goals and 65 pts this year. In a few years he could easily be a 90 pt guy.

Blows my mind that 2 people said that Chicago wouldn't make this trade. That pick is top 5 protected for 2 different years. Adding a Raymond to their current group would be so exciting.

Not a chance they give up a top 5 pick for Raymond.

Calling Raymond a bust then trading for Podz is peak comedy lol

The pick is Top 5 protected... for 2 years.

Meaning if it's a top 5 pick, Chicago keeps it and the picks moves to the year after. That can happen twice in this AGM scenario. Year 3 the pick would be whatever the pick is.

Wasn't a protected one when this was posted.

Yeah it was, you need to read

Caps will take the picks and leave Chiarot.

Caps will probably use him on their third pair then retain 50% and trade him at the trade deadline

https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0?si=moTbS1SQkAkYm3RJ

This guy thinks Raymond's too soft and is just ignoring the fact that Raymond put on about 10 lbs in the off-season. His hatred is childish.

Honestly, I wouldn't even risk a top 15 pick on him. He isn't that interesting. If they were gonna take that risk, they'd be kicking tires on Mercer, Jarvis, or Vilardi, among others, first. Also, we already have at least two prospects that fit the exact same archetype, that should be comparable or better than Raymond, in Nazar and Moore.

Raymond is both younger than, and outscored all three of those players, and unless you're expecting 58 points out of Nazar this season and Moore next season, they're already behind. Come on dude, the only player in Chicago's system that's better than Raymond is Bedard.

Raymond was held up by Larkin and he was still -17 last season. He's extremely bad defensively is one of the softest players in the league. He's bad with Dylan Larkin and he's really bad if he's not with him. Right now he's not even on the first power play unit. And his shot isn't that good, most of his goals are from five feet in front of the net. He's not a good winger fundamentally. He's not good in his own end and he's soft on the boards, he doesn't forecheck. Patrick Kane isn't great defensively either and is the same kind of player as Raymond but way better if healthy. Lucas Raymond honestly stinks, Patrick Kane has a great shot and has elite hands and creativity.

https://moneypuck.com/player.htm?p=8482078
https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/lucas-raymond

Plus/Minus in a vacuum is borderline useless, and Raymond spent 47.3% of his time on a line with Dylan Larkin. That's less than half, in case you were wondering. He has more takeaways than giveaways, a positive penalty differential, positive Corsi/Fenwick, 55.1% on-ice xGoals, (higher than the off-ice xGoals). Literally nothing you're claiming is supported by actual evidence, and if you actually WATCHED a game, you'd see that Raymond is one of, if not the most talented forward on the Wings. Get over yourself, you are factually and figuratively wrong.

https://moneypuck.com/player.htm?p=8478508 Stats on your beloved Yakov Trenin, by the way. Not great in comparison.

I watch every game and he's terrible, a old David Perron is better than him

Any stats or anecdotes to back that up? Specific plays? Highlights? Literally anything? Please? I genuinely cannot even begin to fathom how anyone could be this utterly wrong unless they were trolling.

Yeah it's old news