Edited Oct. 25, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
Quoting: Howie
Funny how ottawa latch on to 1 deal from the other team but never mention the reaction the actual team making the trade. I could go to all those agms and all would say that's way too much but since ONE person proposed its what Pinto is getting. All teams decline and its not close
lol ok... These dals have been proposed by non-Sens fans. OP chose 3 of them but there has been PLENTY, and sometimes even more valuable than this.
Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest
So you're telling me, a soon to be 23 year old, who hasn't played a game in over a year, who has had one full season in the NHL, who only had 35 points, is worth a 1st?
If he is clearly worth this value, why hasn't any team offered a deal similar to the ones you have mentioned? It's because no one will offer anything close to that.
Ok so I am going to point out the fallacies and inaccuracies in your post. And damn there's a lot of them in just one post.
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who hasn't played a game in over a year" : this is an extremely easy verifiable fact. Last game played : April 13th, which is 6 months and 12 days ago, not "
over a year"
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a soon to be 23 year old" : He started last season as a 21 y/o... And like you have already been notified, missed the WHOLE previous season... which delays his development 1 year
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who only had 35 points : another thing that just got explained to you but that seemed to go completely over your head... Young players or prospects' value is in their PROJECTABILITY. Do you need me to give you the definition for that word?
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why hasn't any team offered a deal similar to the ones you have mentioned?" : what are you even talking about? In the reality? How do you know what has been offered or not? Let me guess, it's because "
it has not happened yet"? Pure logical fallacy
Also, did you know that the Coyotes wanted Pinto in March for Chychrun but the Sens decided to give up their first round pick instead (which was 12th OA). This has been talked about by a lot of hockey people and confirmed by people with a long track record of inside information (on another forum)
Also, another good way to become good at grasping players value, is by studying this every year :
https://www.capfriendly.com/trades
Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest
If you use that same logic of he was a top 30 prospect in 2021 and 2022, lets take a look at some of the other names on that list (which again, the Athletic never had him ranked in the top 30 but whatever)
Nick Robertson, Alex Turcotte, Zac Jones, Fabian Lysell, Jack Rathbone, David Farrance, Ville Heinola and Authur Kaliyev.
All these players were listed in the same list as Pinto and not a single one of them deserve a 1st round pick, in fact multiple on this list have flamed out and been traded. The porblem is, fans overrate their own players, like Sens fans do with Pinto.
Damn, do I really need to answer that?
Look at the number of games Nick Robertson has played since 2020-21... Lysell is still 20 y/o, do you think the Bruins would trade him for less than a 1st round pick? Turcotte, Rathbone, Farrance, Heinola, all guys that had their stocked drop a lot since... I'm pretty sure Kings fans would also ask for 1st+ if Arthur Kaliyev was on the market (doesn't mean that Pinto is)
The problem is not really that fans overrate their own players, it's that the average fan doesn't have enough knowledge about the game, the players and prospects, particularly outside of their own team so these forums are a big mess.
The thing is you don't know how long I have been "projecting players", maybe you were not even following the NHL back then... I made money with guys like Duncan Keith, Shea Weber, Loui Eriksson, Keith Yandle but my best coup was Erik Karlsson, literally made 30 K$ with hockey cards. Bought everything I could when his rookie cards came out, sold them 2 years later, profit. Then I did that with houses, which gives me a lot more time to dig into hockey now.
By the way, I have been higher on Ridly Greig for 2+ years now, 95% of Sens fans disagreed, they start to understand now.
Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest
This is the thing about prospects, they don't always get better like you mention. You draft and trade for the projection sure, but the problem is the writing is on the wall for a player like Pinto. Large injury concern, hasn't played in a year, still doesn't have a deal, and is likely at max, a second line center. More realistically, a third line center.
None of these deals get done, let alone for a first. It is just the same old, teams over hyping their players. I should know, I am a Leafs fan lol.
Dear mother of...
I don't stress much when people "disagree" on the internet, you have the right to be entitled to your opinion. I look at facts and empirical evidence first and foremost, which is what my education taught me.
That said, still no money bet? Always looking at new ways to make money
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