I personally don't trust a thing that comes from The Athletic. They are more wrong than right.

I personally don't trust a thing that comes from Capfriendly. They are more wrong than right.

He's 21 years old and hasn't managed to crack a defense with minimal depth that at times has had several people injured all at once. It happens, but there's no way anyone with that profile is a certain or even likely top-four defenseman.

That being said, I don't know why JBB would touch any futures for a team like this. There's no rule that you have to make a deadline move and we're not winning a playoff round this year—it's a toss-up if we'll even be in the playoffs. It wasn't expensive, but I think it's a waste of assets.

I very much question the talent evaluation for this team, just because he didnt make the lineup doesnt mean he isnt a better player. They were playing 25/26 year old rookies whos ceiling are 4th liners/ 7th d man at best in chaffee, merela, koepke, fleury, myers, brown and others but had goncalves, finley, lilleberg, crozier, finley and groshev all who were way better and ready to play NHL games. This trade will age like milk once Thompson beats out calen addison for the PP1 spot and puts up 40 in his rookie season im calling it

The Lightning have pretty much the best track record for player scouting and development in the entire NHL. I don't pay enough attention to say you're wrong that those guys were NHL-ready and would have outperformed the people we did use to fill our bottom-six, but I think the Lightning do know what they're doing when it comes to talent evaluation.

no I dont question the scouts, the scouts did very well to even get these players at the picks they got them with. I question stacy roest who is the head of player development or perhaps its just JBB not wanting to play the kids and overvaluing experience

Fair value in my opinion

Seems fair for both sides, I think the key here is that Grier dodges retaining and can use it on less desirable contracts like Labanc or Hoffman for additional late round picks, or can use it to boost a return for a Ferraro or Granlund trade.

Logged back onto the internet just to ask wtf did we do this for

Carolina just got the best player at the deadline without giving up any of their top 5 prospects. But JBB gave up our best defensemen for a guy that refuses to play defense. It seems like every trade that has gone down so far has favored the team getting the player except for this one. Such a waste of assets

Awesome question

I like ville koivunen and havent watched much of cruz lucius but his brother chaz is very good so I dont think that trade was as lopsided as some people are making it seem but I completely agree with your overall sentiment. This was a buyers market and we still got fleeced

Fair deal, Duclair's going to help Tampa's forward depth and bring good secondary scoring while San Jose gets a 3rd and decent prospect

Tampa gets a VERY underrated player for Pennies. Master class by Tampa.

I honestly feel like I'm missing something. Duclair is a legit middle 6 forward. Tampa clearly won this trade.

Tampa hasn’t shown that they can be a contender this year so trading away any future assets is the problem. Duclair is good but he isn’t the missing piece.

Honestly, I think it's a fair deal.

SJS gets a RD, which is what they're weakest at plus a pick.
Tampa fills a scoring need and their back end is stacked. Thompson likely wasn't going to make it there.

TB is 6 the in GF 26TH in GA Duclair does nothing to address TBs Biggest issue

lmao toffoli just only got a 2025 2nd and a 3rd, unbelievable

Agreed, both are idiotic.

It was a good trade for both sides. Duclair is also more than likely not a rental given he was a player JBB and Co. were interested in for a while. He provides much needed forward depth in the middle 6. Thompson didn't crack the lineup when a spot was there for the taking given Perbix's play at times this year. He has some potential though, and is likely a solid 3rd pairing guy if he hits his ceiling. He'll likely get a good shot with S.J.,.who did well with no retention and a 3rd in addition.