German Dude is a good player and I am not saying he is bad, but how many points you project Crosby(or any of the guys you mentioned above) to have if you stuck him on a line with McDavid for most of a season?

And even in saying that he includes Mathews who is on pace for 46 Goals this year and every year if he played the full 82 games has been on pace for

40,52 & 46 Goals

We yelled and mocked Ciarelli overpayed him, but after Dubarelli's 5 x 11,634M, Draisaitl's contract looks like candy wagon

Crosby Malkin on a PP? Toews and Kane together, Rantanen and McKinnon on one line. Duos are the norm, and other players have not succeeded with MCD like Drai, Look at RNH, decent but not 4th best in league

So you are saying Malkin is equal to McDavid? If you want to compare duos then actually look at the quality of players or compare one player against another player. Don't act like Drai doesn't play with the best player in the world.

Crosby and Malkin together are better than Mc D and Drai. but Drai and MC D got more points

You'd have to be a serious degenerate to not think Draisaitl is as good as Matthews, Malkin, Makinnon etc. All great players need to be alongside the best. Bossy/Trottier, Gretzky/Kurri, Jagr/Lemieux, Sakic/Forsberg/Hejduk, Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Kane.

Crosby and Malkin feature on the same PP, and Malkin plays with this chubby bloke called Phil. Part of being as good as Crosby or McDavid is playing with equally good teammates.

Draisaitl is great but Matthews is better. Draisaitl shines with McDavid. He is still great outside him but he is not that good. Matthews plays with Johnsson and Kapanen who tbh are in their first good years.. he is above point per game without any significant help. Matthews and draisaitl are both elite player.. but to say Draisaitl is in the same cathegory as Auston is not right.

Couple problems with your logic here. One, Gretzky was great no matter who he played because he was the best player the world haa ever seen. Malkin and Crosby have been great, but on separate lines most, if not all of their careers. Hell both players won Hart trophies without having the other guy there. Sakic and Forsberg also played on separate lines their whole career. Both very successful. Jagr has done it by himself without Lemieux several times in his career (see his Washington and Rangers years). Toews and Kane have also been on separate lines in their years. So to say all these players had great success as a 'duo' isn't true because they all had massive success without the person you mentioned.
No one is saying Draisaitl is bad. He's still a number one center, but he wouldn't put up nearly the amount of points without playing with Mcdavid.

Didn't we already have this debate last week...

Ze German is very good, but he’s not Matthews. The Mcdavid effect is real. I’d rank him above marner though.

And the week before...

There's no question that Draisaitl and McDavid play well together, but the suggestion by some (not saying this is you) that Draisaitl is only getting the points he is because of McDavid alone (implying that lots of other guys could do the same) is false. Draisaitl has only been with McDavid for 55% of his 5v5 ice time this season.

Since February 1st, Draisaitl has actually outscored McDavid 28 - 25.

As an aside, it'll be interesting to see where Point's contract come in this summer.

Drai is a good player and he is having a great year but I’m sorry... if you put Matthews on a line with Mcdavid he would have 100 goals. Drai is a great compliment to Mcdavid and a great player as well. But the reason he is on the mcdavid line and not centering his own is due to the fact that he couldn’t drive a line. That may change in the near future as he continues to progress.

Like I said, ze German is good but not as good as Matthews. 55% of his 5v5 points is quite a lot lmao. I think he’s better than marner, worse than Matthews. That’s certainly not a knock tho haha he’s a great player

Have you seen his wingers when he's on his own line? Chiasson, Rieder and Lucic are the most common ones. Yeah, I'd like to see Matthews "drive" a line with Reider and Lucic on the wings.

Also, at 5v5:

McDavid with Draisaitl: 3.32 pts/60 (631:43)
McDavid w/o Draisaitl: 2.03 pts/60 (501:21)

Seems wise to keep them together - for McDavid's sake alone.

age maters

Look at their age comparative seasons and it's not close.

I think it's debateable who is better today. But since Matthews is nearly 2 years younger it's quite likely that he'll end up being the better player.

Really?

Draisaitl at 21: 82, 29-48-77 +7, and in the playoffs: 13, 6-10-16 +8
Matthews at 21: 55, 31-30-61 -3 (so far, on pace for 68, 38-37-75 -4)

Matthews was clearly a better goal scorer than 21-year-old Draisaitl, but to say he's the better player "and it's not close" isn't true.

This is silly take.

Taylor Hall won the Hart last year...nobody thinks he's the best player in the game. Players can have good or bad years.

Draisaitl is having a breakout campaign this year and you hope that becomes the new norm for him

You proved it with the stats

If youre going to put what matthews is on pace for, might as well make it 82 for comparative purposes .

Draisaitl at 21: 82, 29-48-77 +7,

Matthews at 21: 82 prorated 46-44-90 -4

At age 21 matthews is a much better player than drai at 21.That is not a debate, and the gap widens even more once you adjust for TOI / linemates.

Right now it is close, but matthews is still better with 3.634 P/60 vs Drai at 3.442 P/60, but like i said age matters, as players tend to start their peak around 23-24. Drai fits in much better with pasta class wise than matthews.

are you arguing leon is good??? yeah hes good he should be maklin to mcdavids Crosby for the next 15 years. you want the glory though you need to win some playoff games. that makes you great not good.

Oilers arguably were set up better than pens were back in 2006. Mcdavid; Hall, Drai, 15th overall (would’ve been chabot) eberle could’ve been a better core set up than Crosby, malkin, staal, fleury Whitney.

Damn, let’s stop that dream there