Sadly Hyman...and proly for scraps now when everyone know TML needs to dump....

Assuming Moore, Wilson, Marchment, Engvall or Mikheyev can do the type of job he does for his line....

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To lose Hyman and brown in one season is crushing but I have to agree with you. Even from a cap stand point. From the looks of things he will start on IR not LTIR. Leafs can not afford 2.35m I’m dead cap space.

If he was part of the cap, I'd immediately say Babcock. Heck I'll say his name anyway as a Leaf that should be gone.

Johnsson is my first choice. Kapanen second. Need a 3m player gone to be replaced by a 900,000 to make the cap work.

Nope, 1m would give us 2 spares and 300k. My vote was Hyman and it is a dagger to the heart. As I explained in my last post, if he goes on Ir than it is even worse as it is 2.25m in dead space. Hyman for mikheyev gives us 2 spares and roughly 500k in space.

To make things easier I will put himan and Dermott on the roster.

Cf says with ltir schenanigans the leafs can fit everyone with a roster of 20. Use the the goat as the extra (b/c Moore can play d in a pinch) and it should just fit with a safe roster of 21. Paper goat around as much as needed

Nope, I put Holl in as the scratch. This means no sandin, no and no Bracco... just don’t see it happening.

i just made a sim with Hyman included, 22 men roster and being-300k, so no need to dump them youngsters at 3M for now.



Well, my dark predictions came thru. I dont believe if you remember but last summer we went into a clinch where you called me out how i dont know what buyers mean and i was still putting them in brackets, claiming if overpayments will take place, depth will be lost.

It was bad enough for me that 2M + 2M will result in not being able to pump the D ( im painting this out with a simple instead of Pietrangelo at 7M the top Pair D will have to be Dermott at 3M ) but with losing both Brown and Hyman on that behalf, it feels even worse, true.

Said that before, box of Oreos on left wing of Tavares and Matthews will end the season with 25+ Points, but still....Brown was 28 Point working kid playing in 4th line....thats not something to ignore in my books.....and same goes fro Hyman grinding himself till last breath....

The only thing I remember getting into it with you about was Kadri, you turned out to be right after a few wild twists and turns. So props to you there.

Hyman gets my vote on here, but I'd rather trade Ceci even though we need D, we need PK more IMO.

So while some people think it great that these RFAs can have leverage and get more money, it's at expense of the players with less negotiation power. Imagine if Nylander had signed for 300,000 less, Matthews and Marner one million each less. That's 2.3m. Certainly the Leafs could have 23 man roster. So some iffy NHLers hoping to big show at 800,000 continues to play in the AHL for 70,00.
Or as Jamie mentions, the Leafs could have kept the very competent Brown at 2.1m and he could have continued his dream playing in his home town.

I don't think anyone is out. The leafs can run a 21 man roster when Hyman comes off LTIR and still be cap compliant.

I mean cf literally put out a tweet saying it works soooo...
Remember that the AGM tool is intentionally simplified

I think I'm missing something here. I put together a couple agms that seem to work, but it might mean that a guy like Mikheyev is guaranteed nothing. The difference between his 925K and some of the 700K guys could mean alot now.

But FWIW, I could see us playing with the 18 player threshold for a while before Hyman gets traded. Babs woul flat out have a stroke if we lost him, and Marner would feel is wrath. .

Maybe that's the way out of this sitch. Dubas tells Babs that Hyman has to go to accomodate Marner. Babs loses it, beats the sh*t outta Marner, mitch goes on the ltir for a couple months... cap problem solved and we play with a full roster .

Lmfao... I kinda like that last scenario.

So what if Hyman diesn’t go On ltir? I’m assuming at this point he will just because it is better for the team. Take a few extra games off, maybe do an ltir conditioning stint. To me it seems too tight. If leafs face 2 injuries that overlap we will not be able to ice a 20 man team. What do we do if it goes like last year? Put the 4th line on waivers?

It be interesting to see how a conversation in a small, dark room would go between Brown, Kadri, Gards and Mitch. Maybe let Mitch bring in his dad, Ferris and Dreger into the mix so he doesnt feel threatened.

I'd imagine that by the time that all these rfas are signed there's going to be more than a few nhl roster players that are left feeling a little bitter.

It is but that is the ltir, gives you perfect relief. Which the leafs will get. I understand that yes it is possible... but Is it practical?

I'd move Ceci and replace him with Liljegren. As an offensive d-man, I don't think the difference between those two is that high, but Liljegren probably needs help from an experienced D, either Rielly or Muzzin.

Other than that, I'd consider moving Ceci for a cheaper D. Something in the ballpark of Ceci in exchange to Connor Carrick lmao. Let him make a comeback.

If Dubas trusts Ceci's abilities to be a good 2nd pair RHD, then it has to be Hyman that goes I think. He will land you some nice picks.

What’s your team’s cap looking like. Do a ceci for honka? Maybe a sweetener due to circumstance. Is johns healthy?

Anything is practical if you try hard enough (and have a scrooge McDuck vault to spend on it).

That is because it is averaged. The real cap is accumulated daily. They would need to have a waiver exempt healthy scratch that they would move up and down similar to Moore last year. My personal thought is that it is too tight and too much to risk. Someone has to go.

Just to follow up on something. Didn't Calgary find themselves in a similar situation a few years ago where their cap forced where they couldn't ice a full roster for a few games? Or am I imagining that/making that sh*t up?

Gotcha.

So it probably means I get to see the Goat alot again this year........