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I would like to have your thought on that topics thank gang ?

I don’t think it’s too unrealistic to expect your second line guys to put up 50+ pts. Usually what we end up seeing is one of the 3 2nd line guys puts up like 65+ and the other 2 are in between 35-55. I do agree that it’s not super easy to find a 2nd liner that can consistently put up 50-60+ pts.

Well this is about Drouin who only is a 50 point player despite given top minutes and top pp time. So he’s trying to frame a scenario that benefits him bc he’s mad that people don’t value Drouin like he does

I said it’s easier to find 2nd like wingers like Drouin, example trading for a guy like jt Miller or what he is on pace for today, 50+ points in burakovsky, neither involves having to hand over a 1st round and one of a teams top prospect

Well 50 point players are somewhat rare, and I would say any good team will have a full line of them. Usually the min for a player who can score that much is a first. The sharks have Kevin Labanc who was a 50 point player last year(although maybe inflated by playing with Thornton) and is very young and cheap, and my asking price for him is a first.

Donskoi is on a 55 point pace. He’s trying so hard with this roster bc I said it’s easier to find wingers with that kind of production in Drouin that doesnt involve a trade for a 1st and a top prospect, mentioned jt miller was a 1st and a third and he threw a hissy fit

I was surprised there are so few 50 point wingers. Not just looking at points, it's value to the team.
If there are 31 first line wingers, the average second liner winger should get the 46th highest salary. The NHL stats should the 46th paid RW gets 4.6m and the 46 paid LW 3.5m.....So I guess that's the market about 4m for a second line winger. The 46th paid centre 5.5m

Moral of the story. Teach your children to be right handed.

im not gonna base my answer off drouin but your scenario, which would be a 1st, and either a B prospect or a decent 3rd line wqinger, probably young. if you want an offer for drouin, when not injured from the Avs id say a 1st and compher maybe?

I feel like specifying Colorado (a team that was utter trash until like 3 years ago and was last in the standings) really makes this post bias. Last year there were 52 wingers that had 50+ points and 61 that reached 47 (generally considered the 50 point range). 2 years ago there were 55 wingers that reached 50+ points and 70 wingers that got to at least 47pts. Idealy each competing team wants at least 3 wingers that can reach that threshold and every team wants at least 2. So if there are 31 teams in the league then that means teams should have at least 2 each and just under half of them have 3. This is of course assuming the league is much more balanced. And teams like Detroit this year aren't sitting 25 points out of the playoffs at the half way mark.

Its should also be noted that last year goalie pad sizes were decreased meaning scoring in general went up (especially early in the year), hence why players like Kucherov were able to get so many points

And usually its the centerman of the second line that get to that 50+ point range. Thank for your comment I appreciate the time you’d take

Thank buddy i appreciate your comment. And i do think that labanc is worth more than only a 1st round pick since he have 3 more year under team control and have been getting better each year. Is game have been better lately. Thank for your time

Drouin would be the 4th best forward if he was playing with the Avs. More hands and speed than Landeskog but Landeskog overall is better than Drouin. Drouin’s value is around a 1st + A prospect

Dont see the incentive for the Avs to do that. Compher plays both C and W, and is putting up a mid 40 point pace season. His value is in how he plugs in plays in all situations and any line, plus has the pest side to his game, which is always over valued during the playoffs. Cant do that with Drouin nor can you say the same

Logistically for a team that is trying to make a cup run, you dont want to move those type of players for one dimensional ones.

I would have to say that i was more then surprised when i found out about that. There more center that get 50 point then winger right or left include. I like the charts thing for salary. Would save a lot of bad contract. Thank for your thoughts

I dont see the value to invest for this role. He is using Drouin 1st line production and deployment and trying to weight it to the 2nd line....50 points is what he gets with top minutes, there is no guarantee he does that in a lesser role, which he would be on a playoff contender. Logically he is goign to see a dramatic decrease in that production, especially PP time as it would be rare if not at all, seeing any PP1 time with how its constructed

That was my whole point, you dont have to move a 1st and a top prospect for a 2nd line winger. I would argue that Kadri is better than Drouin. He has had 30 goal seasons, 60 point season, plays C, etc, and is back to that same pace again being in the top 6 vs 3rd line like last year.

Drouin hasn't had a 30 goal season, he was only able to get 20 goals once...., and Kadri has 2 30 goal season

Thank for your comment but let just keep it at the initial scenario. The other dude is mad because I don’t repond anymore to is trolling comment. He have made up a whole story just to make himself have attention. After all the information i have stated above does a 50 point second line winger is more valuable then you thoughts before that maybe ?

I made up a whole story? You're the one who is making up a fake story.. Drouin is not a 50 point 2nd line winger....50 points while being 3rd in Total Ice time out for Forwards last season on Montreal, 1st in Power player time.

He was a 53 point player given top minutes in every way. That isnt a 2nd line Winger. Thats a 50 point 1st line Winger. Hes not getting the same producing in a reduced role

But keep on telling yourself that, you threw a hissy fit that I didnt think Drouin was worth the price you were fighting about and made up a whole roster, a whole fake story and spent hours looking up stats to try to frame a scenario to make you feel better

I have taken the stats from the nhl official site so the center that play winger where listed as center since they have play some game at that position. Every statement made above are verifiable on nhl.com. So how can verified stats are bias? And just ask a question that you don’t even answer properly. Please read the post more carefully and your information are not good since you probably took a amateur site that compiles stats and they are not official.

I think sometimes we're too hung up on point thresholds with some players and sometimes not hung up on it enough for other players. Like some 2nd line wingers might not break the 50 point mark in a season and I'd still say they're a 2nd line winger or at least could be if they're hitting at least the 40+ point mark, I think as long as the line they're on works and it produces roughly what's expected of an average 2nd line then so be it.

Like is Hyman a top 6 winger? Idk if he is but he produces and his line works so so be it. It seems many think Kapanen is only a 3rd line winger but he could very likely be a 2nd line winger on many teams in the league and put on a line that he works on I could see him break the 50 point mark.

As for Drouin I'd say he's worth a 1st, I mean he produces pretty much in line with his contract value (or he would if he could stay healthy) and has a good amount of term left. If a guy like Palmieri who most think is gonna take a 1st+ to get how is Drouin who has two more seasons of term left not gonna start with a 1st? As for the value of what extras it'd take who knows, the value of a 2nd round pick or an A-prospect or B-prospect could be debated forever.. Lol

From those 48 wingers drouin was averaging 16:56 ice time a night that would put him 41 out of 48 players not bad for a players always on the ice.

I said look at JT Miller as an example. he was traded for a 1st and a 3rd. 2nd line Winger. You can find guys that dont cost you a 1st and a top prospect, which caused him to go back on his soap box.
Even look at incomplete samples this year in Burakovsky and Donskoi, both are averaging over a 50 point pace (should be in that 45-50 point pace when the smoke clears, They didnt cost those assets to get either. 2nd line wingers options are always available. And its funny how he is framing this now. Drouin was a 50 point player not he Habs but getting 3rd in Total Ice Time and 1st in PP time. Thats not a 50 point 2nd line winger. Its just his way to try to justify his soap box stance

And both of them have been stone cold since rantanen and landeskog have come back. Both have been playing with mackinnon on the first line where they had there share off point but since they are back on that second line. Since landeskog took back is spot danskoi have 6 point in 17 games and burakowsky isn’t doing much better with 6 point in 17 game so when they are without mackinnon they are what they are average players

I hear ya and the JT Miller comparison is a very fair one for a hypothetical Drouin trade, that's why I put at the end of my comment about what the extra(s) should be could/should be debated forever.. Lol

Maybe an in season trade compared to a summer trade like Miller's costs more but Sakic is no fool, if he trades for Drouin he wont overpay for him.

Not sure Burakovsky or Donskoi are really fair comparisons but I get your point that there's cheaper ways to fill a lineup hole. I think your Avs advantage is they get secondary scoring, pretty much everyone in their bottom 6 produces at what you'd expect players in those positions should.

So they are being 2nd line wingers, inconsistent scoring, just like Drouin? Thats why its called a projected pace, even conservative in the 45-50 point range, thats 2nd line scoring depth that didnt cost them a 1st rounder and a top prospect....you know back to my original point there is always options to find 2nd line wingers in this league that doesnt cost you top assets. They sure arent getting Top 3 in Ice time or Top 1st unit PP time like Drouin gets to have his "2nd line winger scoring" at 1st line deployment

You may not like the value, you over value every habs players and get made about it but dont start puffing your chest out making claims that every other GM would give that for Drouin, bc thats just straight up false

They arent yet, bc its only the half way point of the season, but just as a project pace if they do hit it. Thats a good return in investment on players you paid next to nothing to get. My point was that 2nd line wing options are available in a variety of ways.

JT miller is the only true example bc thats a winger coming off a 50 point season with 3 years left on their contract. I think thats a fair offer as a recent trade comparable.

My point was that Drouins are not rare in this league, you can acquire those level of players that dont cost you top line asset prices to get. Hes not a unique talent that would cause a bidding war. A team doesnt like the price, they can move on down the line and look else where for 2nd line depth

Don’t try to speak with him he thing that donskoi and burakowsky are better then drouin. And that connor timmins is the greatest prospect that the nhl never had. Players like drouin aren’t rare there plenty of them around the league. When only 48 winger reach 50 point and he was the 42 in ice them among them but he have nothing special.