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2021/22 NHL Season Discussion thread #4 - Eichel?

Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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I have a joke that I’m storing up until the Blue Jackets play their 15th game

It’s another SpongeBob reference

I’ll be sitting on it for a while, since that isn’t until November 20th
Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:53 p.m.
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A crying shame. If he has a longer scale drug problem as I understood from this he's probably gonna be out for a while I think.

Well to be fair isn't he injured as well so he wouldn't be playing regardless...

Hoping all the best for him.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 7:54 p.m.
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Dahlin is considered a star by production, the model literally estimates the probability a player will become a a star producer by taking every defenseman that was drafted over the last 25 years and putting it into a database. It’s not that hard to understand.


Just wondering, didn’t mean to start an argument.

Like for example


So Eklunds rated somewhat higher than Seider and Lidstrom no? (I know this isn’t the same chart Draft year, plus 1 etc etc) (and I know this is a forward vs a D). Like rn I think Eklund will be better than Seider regardless but Seider looks so good that he could be a top pair quality guy sooner rather than later. So like if Eklunds got better ratings than Lidstrom and Seider what am learning from this?

I don’t think Seider is miles behind Eklund yet their charts have a huge difference.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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A crying shame. If he has a longer scale drug problem as I understood from this he's probably gonna be out for a while I think.

Well to be fair isn't he injured as well so he wouldn't be playing regardless...

Hoping all the best for him.


If I’m honest, Carey is one of the guys in the league I have a tremendously respect for, and I think it’s great that he’s asking for help, and showing that even people with so called perfect lives, still need help and have problems.

Like you said, wishing him all the best
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:42 p.m.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:44 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:51 p.m.
Edmonton puts Skinner in net vs. the wings

This should be fun to watch

No excuses when you got Mcdavid and Draisaitl and a 9.25mill Nurse.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
A crying shame. If he has a longer scale drug problem as I understood from this he's probably gonna be out for a while I think.

Well to be fair isn't he injured as well so he wouldn't be playing regardless...

Hoping all the best for him.


His injury would’ve been healed around the same time he joined the player’s assistance program.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:57 p.m.
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Skinner with a Dang-It

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Nov. 9, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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Just wondering, didn’t mean to start an argument.

Like for example


So Eklunds rated somewhat higher than Seider and Lidstrom no? (I know this isn’t the same chart Draft year, plus 1 etc etc) (and I know this is a forward vs a D). Like rn I think Eklund will be better than Seider regardless but Seider looks so good that he could be a top pair quality guy sooner rather than later. So like if Eklunds got better ratings than Lidstrom and Seider what am learning from this?

I don’t think Seider is miles behind Eklund yet their charts have a huge difference.


I'm pretty sure Top down hockey's model takes into account analytics like WAR as well as production, I'm really not sure how accurate his model is. I think he made it right before the draft.

Byron Baders model is based strictly on production. Players who profile like Lidstrom/Seider at the draft (from a production standpoint) usually don't go on to become star producers. It's an uncommon path. Lidstrom was an extreme outlier and Seider profiles exactly like him. There aren't any defenseman in the last 30 years who've had a similar DY-D+2 to Seider/Lindstrom.

Just because a player looks great at the draft doesn't mean he's going to live up to it. Kieffer Bellows had like a 50% star probability at the draft and he'll likely be nothing more than a middle 6 winger.His star % dropped after his terrible D+1 season at BU.

Byron's model gives Eklund a 65% NHLer probability and a 39% star probability. He had ranked 4th in the draft.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Edmonton puts Skinner in net vs. the wings

This should be fun to watch

No excuses when you got Mcdavid and Draisaitl and a 9.25mill Nurse.

Just watched Skinner mishandle the puck after leaving the net, easy goal for Larkin. If I’m being honest he hasn’t played too badly, the Oilers defense is just giving Detroit plenty of time and space to rack up prime chances. Doesn’t help that they’re having so much trouble breaking through Detroit’s defense.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
I'm pretty sure Top down hockey's model takes into account analytics like WAR as well as production, I'm really not sure how accurate his model is. I think he made it right before the draft.

Byron Baders model is based strictly on production. Players who profile like Lidstrom/Seider at the draft (from a production standpoint) usually don't go on to become star producers. It's an uncommon path. Lidstrom was an extreme outlier and Seider profiles exactly like him. There aren't any defenseman in the last 30 years who've had a similar DY-D+2 to Seider/Lindstrom.

Just because a player looks great at the draft doesn't mean he's going to live up to it. Kieffer Bellows had like a 50% star probability at the draft and he'll likely be nothing more than a middle 6 winger.His star % dropped after his terrible D+1 season at BU.

Byron's model gives Eklund a 65% NHLer probability and a 39% star probability. He had ranked 4th in the draft.


Ah okay, now I understand that model better, I get what you’re saying/ hes saying! Makes a lot more sense now with a clearer picture/ understanding.

Thanks!
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:02 p.m.
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Just watched Skinner mishandle the puck after leaving the net, easy goal for Larkin. If I’m being honest he hasn’t played too badly, the Oilers defense is just giving Detroit plenty of time and space to rack up prime chances. Doesn’t help that they’re having so much trouble breaking through Detroit’s defense.


And thats why I said no excuses. If you play well and he lets you down then you could argue it was the goalie. But if the team and him play like ass then everyone's to blame so no excuses.

Like a PP thats 50% coming in and is 0-2 ouch
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:06 p.m.
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I think Florida has a problem

That problem is Knight

He is just not NHL ready rn

They got time to solve it but the longer Bob is out with injury the more concerned they should be.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:09 p.m.
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And thats why I said no excuses. If you play well and he lets you down then you could argue it was the goalie. But if the team and him play like ass then everyone's to blame so no excuses.


I mean it’s not the players’ fault that they’re not good enough. It was Ken Holland who built the team, and it’s his fault for building his blue line with a bunch bad defensive players.
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
I think Florida has a problem

That problem is Knight

He is just not NHL ready rn

They got time to solve it but the longer Bob is out with injury the more concerned they should be.


They’re making the playoffs. As long as Bobrovsky is back for the playoffs, they have nothing to worry about.

Edit: The NHL app says Bobrovsky is backing up Knight tonight. Are you sure he’s injured?
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:11 p.m.
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I mean it’s not the players’ fault that they’re not good enough. It was Ken Holland who built the team, and it’s his fault for building his blue line with a bunch bad defensive players.

If they aren’t playing defense, they have to at least play offense, right?
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:13 p.m.
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I think Florida has a problem

That problem is Knight

He is just not NHL ready rn

They got time to solve it but the longer Bob is out with injury the more concerned they should be.


DAL has plenty of goalies to offer applaud
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.
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If they aren’t playing defense, they have to at least play offense, right?


Sure, but it’s also Holland’s fault that only 2 of his D are good offensively, and 2 of them are just terrible in both ends of the ice. (And that those terrible players are making $8.8 million combined)
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:26 p.m.
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It’s extremely unlikely, but if Hyman and Puljujärvi keep it up Edmonton could be the 6th team in NHL history with 4 40 goal scorers.

The teams that had 4 40 goal scorers are:
82-83 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Anderson, Messier, Kurri
83-84 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Anderson, Kurri, Coffey
84-85 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Kurri, Krushelnyski, Anderson
85-86 Edmonton Oilers - Kurri, Anderson, Gretzky, Coffey
87-88 Calgary Flames - Nieuwendyk, Loob, Bullard, Mullen
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:26 p.m.
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Jake Evans just scored the greatest goal of his career.

(And that includes all the goals he’s yet to score.)
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:29 p.m.
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Two part question for people here

1) which one will top the scoring chart this year, McDavid or Draisaitl?
2) how many points in total the winner will get?

Let's just assume for the sake of argument that both will remain healthy.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:30 p.m.
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It’s extremely unlikely, but if Hyman and Puljujärvi keep it up Edmonton could be the 6th team in NHL history with 4 40 goal scorers.

The teams that had 4 40 goal scorers are:
82-83 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Anderson, Messier, Kurri
83-84 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Anderson, Kurri, Coffey
84-85 Edmonton Oilers - Gretzky, Kurri, Krushelnyski, Anderson
85-86 Edmonton Oilers - Kurri, Anderson, Gretzky, Coffey
87-88 Calgary Flames - Nieuwendyk, Loob, Bullard, Mullen


leafs are gonna be very mad that they didnt keep hyman if he puts up 40 goals


side note: drai has a 188 point pace and mcdavid has a 180 point pace
Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
They’re making the playoffs. As long as Bobrovsky is back for the playoffs, they have nothing to worry about.

Edit: The NHL app says Bobrovsky is backing up Knight tonight. Are you sure he’s injured?


It was announced he was a game time decision as he is dealing with a UBI. Guess they just had him sit as lets be honest he would have been in if healthy.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:34 p.m.
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Two part question for people here

1) which one will top the scoring chart this year, McDavid or Draisaitl?
2) how many points in total the winner will get?

Let's just assume for the sake of argument that both will remain healthy.


For the record, as of now
- Connor McDavid's last 82 games consists of 50 goals and 100 assists, which equals to 150 points.
- Leon Draisaitl's last 82 games consists of 53 goals and 79 assists, which equals to 132 poins.
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Nov. 9, 2021 at 9:34 p.m.
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leafs are gonna be very mad that they didnt keep hyman if he puts up 40 goals


side note: drai has a 188 point pace and mcdavid has a 180 point pace


In these rough times as a habs fan I can take solace in the fact that Florida is 1st in the NHL and McDavid/Draisaitl are scoring at a ridiculous rate that’s behind only Lemieux and Gretzky.
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