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Spending a Little Money for Unparalleled Success

Created by: Alfie11
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 14, 2021
Published: Nov. 14, 2021
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Step 1: Sell at the 2021-22 TDL.
Deal Tierney (half retained for a 2nd), Holden (3rd), Ennis/J. Brown/Sanford/Forsberg (4th to 7th, whatever we can get). Could also likely get a 2nd or 3rd for Paul if he decides not to resign, or wants more than 2mil. If we can get a pick for MDZ then do that, but I find it hard to believe anyone actually thinks he's good anymore.

Step 2: Dump bad cap.
Murray doesn't have a terrible buyout tbh. Dump Zaitsev for a 2nd+3rd, we have the picks for it, even if it's a little more. Dump MDZ for a 6th if there's no buyer, someone would surely be willing to take him on as the 7D if they get a pick out of it.

Step 3: Get a new goalie.
Brannstrom is a high end young LD, which Anaheim lacks (they have plenty of LD prospects but none of them are close to Brannstrom's level). White gives them a young middle six forward with upside that could probably benefit from a change of scenery. Mandolese gets them a decent extra goalie prospect (QMJHL goalie of the year in his D+2 year), Abramov is a good winger that will only have one more year in the KHL and will probably crack the NHL right after that, and a 2nd as well. Probably 2.5 1sts worth of value.

Step 4: Resign RFAs.
Give Norris the Monahan deal. Monahan had 3 20+ goal years and 2 60+ point seasons under his belt when he was signed. Norris may hit those numbers this year, but even if he doesn't, that's about what his production will be, with good defensive play to boot, so it's a worthwhile bet to make to get him locked up for a long time. Bridge Formenton and play him at full time 3LW+PK2. Gambrell or Bishop can be kept for 4C, and Mete as a 6/7 depth D.

Step 5: Bolster the defense.
This should be a go for it year. Or at least a don't supremely suck defensively again year. The Chabot-Zub top pair is pretty good, so bolster the 2nd pair by signing the big FA in Klingberg, and a reliable 4/5 guy for a couple years (de Haan, Cole, Murray, Holden, Goligoski, Maatta, Edler are all fine, try to find one for ~2x2.5). Sanderson should be signed out of college this year and be on the 3rd pair next year. He can gradually take over from whatever short term veteran 4/5 guy we sign. Thomson, Mete, and JBD can duke it out for 3RD.

Step 6: Bring in the local veteran.
We could really use another top 9 forward. A versatile guy like Giroux would be great, giving us many different lineup combinations. He can play 2C or 3C with Pinto taking the other spot if we draft Kemell, or even 2RW if we draft a centre like Wright or Savoie. Give him the Pavelski deal, so it expires at the same time as the ELC of our 2022 1st.

Long term outlook: we'll have 6.7mil+1.4mil (buyout drop)+1mil (likely cap rise) to give raises to Stutzle, Pinto, Gustavsson, and Zub in the summer of 2023. Might have to move on from the 4/5D if a little extra wiggle room is needed but none of those guys has really broken out yet, so we should be able to get by with bridge deals (Gus especially will be cheap as the backup/1B). There's also not a huge need to spend 4.5mil on the 4th line with a steady influx of prospects on the rise competing for spots (Sharkolov, Jarventie, Greig, etc.). We'll also see if Thomson+JBD make Zub expendable on the right side.
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  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
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  1. Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
  2. Brännström, Erik [RFA Rights]
  3. Mandolese, Kevin
  4. White, Colin
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)
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  1. Del Zotto, Michael
  2. 2022 6th round pick (OTT)
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C
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RD
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:03 a.m.
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Never getting John Gibson for that package
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:19 a.m.
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Never getting John Gibson for that package


A wise man
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:33 a.m.
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Never getting John Gibson for that package

Idk what else you could really expect. This is ~2.5 1sts. Eichel only got 3.5 1sts and I know you're not gonna argue Gibson is close in value to Eichel. Could swap Abramov for Jarventie I guess. Idk why everyone expects 4 or 5 superb assets for guys, that isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen for EK65 near the peak of his powers and it didn't happen for Eichel, it isn't gonna happen for a good goalie, but with injury troubles and that's underperformed for a couple years.
Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:35 a.m.
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Brannstrom isn't elite.

Elite players don't play in the ahl in their draft plus 5 season
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:35 a.m.
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Idk what else you could really expect. This is ~2.5 1sts. Eichel only got 3.5 1sts and I know you're not gonna argue Gibson is close in value to Eichel. Could swap Abramov for Jarventie I guess. Idk why everyone expects 4 or 5 superb assets for guys, that isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen for EK65 near the peak of his powers and it didn't happen for Eichel, it isn't gonna happen for a good goalie, but with injury troubles and that's underperformed for a couple years.


You offered zero 1sts in this trade
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 7:41 a.m.
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claesson4norris csick sensonfire thoughts?


1. Norris should be paid about the same as Batherson.



2. Spending assets to dump players when your team is not up against the cap doesn't make any sense.

At all.

I've been saying for weeks that someone like Zaitsev can either be bought out or buried in the minors.

I'm amazed by how many people on this site don't see it that way.

If you're saying we could buy out Matt Murray in this post, why can't we buy out Zaitsev or MDZ as well?



3. Gibson is not for sale.



4. Gambrell does not accept that because it's 100K short of his qualifying offer.



5. Klingberg is signing his extension with Dallas.



6. Nick Paul will want to be paid more like Barclay Goodrow or Connor Brown.



7. Like anybody else, Jake Sanderson would want to play with somebody he's familiar with upon playing for an NHL team for the first time.

Look no further than JBD.



I hope this helps smile
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 8:01 a.m.
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Idk what else you could really expect. This is ~2.5 1sts. Eichel only got 3.5 1sts and I know you're not gonna argue Gibson is close in value to Eichel. Could swap Abramov for Jarventie I guess. Idk why everyone expects 4 or 5 superb assets for guys, that isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen for EK65 near the peak of his powers and it didn't happen for Eichel, it isn't gonna happen for a good goalie, but with injury troubles and that's underperformed for a couple years.


Here, I'll break down your trade so you can see why all the comments are against you right now:
A struggling D+2 goalie (Mandolese, Kevin)
A depth centre that Anaheim does not need / can find on the UFA market (White, Colin)
A good defense prospect that hasn't lived up to his potential, and as you said, Anaheim is not lacking LD options for the bottom-4 and this one doesn't look top-2 like he used to (Brännström, Erik)
My personal favourite is this guy. A guy who chose to play in the KHL over Ottawa and now you think he's valuable in this trade (Abramov, Vitaly)
and a 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)

The only thing that could be anything of value in this trade is Brannstrom, and that's a pretty big gamble based on his performance since the draft.

So no, this is not "2.5 1st round picks", and Anaheim will get offered a WAY better package should they decide to move on from Gibson
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 8:04 a.m.
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klingberg doesnt sign with ottawa unless you pay him a lot more than that, hes most likely gonna sign with dallas. youre also dreaming if you think a couple of mediocre prospects, colin white, and a 2nd would be enough to get john gibson
Nov. 14, 2021 at 8:06 a.m.
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Quoting: QualityTrades1
Here, I'll break down your trade so you can see why all the comments are against you right now:
A struggling D+2 goalie (Mandolese, Kevin)
A depth centre that Anaheim does not need / can find on the UFA market (White, Colin)
A good defense prospect that hasn't lived up to his potential, and as you said, Anaheim is not lacking LD options for the bottom-4 and this one doesn't look top-2 like he used to (Brännström, Erik)
My personal favourite is this guy. A guy who chose to play in the KHL over Ottawa and now you think he's valuable in this trade (Abramov, Vitaly)
and a 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)

The only thing that could be anything of value in this trade is Brannstrom, and that's a pretty big gamble based on his performance since the draft.

So no, this is not "2.5 1st round picks", and Anaheim will get offered a WAY better package should they decide to move on from Gibson


an actual package for gibson would start with a 2022 1st, and also end with a 2022 1st since ottawa looks like a wright contender, and therefore arent trading their 1st this year.
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 8:07 a.m.
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an actual package for gibson would start with a 2022 1st, and also end with a 2022 1st since ottawa looks like a wright contender


Yeah except Ottawa won't trade it, and Anaheim doesn't want 1 first that only might turn into Shane Wright.
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 8:10 a.m.
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Yeah except Ottawa won't trade it, and Anaheim doesn't want 1 first that only might turn into Shane Wright.


exactly
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 9:33 a.m.
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1. unless the ducks do a total taredown rebuild. Gibson aint going no where

2. Gibson is NOT going to get the ducks lotery picks, or elite prospects, or top 6 players in their early to mid 20s....
Nov. 14, 2021 at 9:50 a.m.
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Your whole plan sounds good except for John Gibson. I don’t think that’s close to enough for him but I also don’t think we need him. I see Gustavsson as the next Hellybuck.
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Quoting: athrin
2. Gibson is NOT going to get the ducks lotery picks, or elite prospects, or top 6 players in their early to mid 20s....


No lottery pick, no elite prospect and no Top 6 player is in his offer...
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Ducks decline the Gibson trade because:
Quoting: QualityTrades1
Here, I'll break down your trade so you can see why all the comments are against you right now:
A struggling D+2 goalie (Mandolese, Kevin)
A depth centre that Anaheim does not need / can find on the UFA market (White, Colin)
A good defense prospect that hasn't lived up to his potential, and as you said, Anaheim is not lacking LD options for the bottom-4 and this one doesn't look top-2 like he used to (Brännström, Erik)
My personal favourite is this guy. A guy who chose to play in the KHL over Ottawa and now you think he's valuable in this trade (Abramov, Vitaly)
and a 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)

The only thing that could be anything of value in this trade is Brannstrom, and that's a pretty big gamble based on his performance since the draft.

So no, this is not "2.5 1st round picks", and Anaheim will get offered a WAY better package should they decide to move on from Gibson
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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1. Norris should be paid about the same as Batherson.



2. Spending assets to dump players when your team is not up against the cap doesn't make any sense.

At all.

I've been saying for weeks that someone like Zaitsev can either be bought out or buried in the minors.

I'm amazed by how many people on this site don't see it that way.

If you're saying we could buy out Matt Murray in this post, why can't we buy out Zaitsev or MDZ as well?



3. Gibson is not for sale.



4. Gambrell does not accept that because it's 100K short of his qualifying offer.



5. Klingberg is signing his extension with Dallas.



6. Nick Paul will want to be paid more like Barclay Goodrow or Connor Brown.



7. Like anybody else, Jake Sanderson would want to play with somebody he's familiar with upon playing for an NHL team for the first time.

Look no further than JBD.



I hope this helps smile

Norris is a center and better defensively than Batherson. Nick Paul is not close to Goodrow or C. Brown and if he wants that kinda money he can leave and find out that nobody’s going to give it to him. If Zaitsev and Murray are in the organization, they will get played, so while I would bury them in the minors, Diorion and Smith would play them, so they need to leave. Plus it’s our 2023 cap situation that gets a little sketchy, especially if Pinto/Stutzle both break out. We could buy out any of them, but it’s probably cheaper overall to send picks with Zaitsev/MDZ (MDZ especially) to completely get rid of the cap hot. I feel like some rebuilding team is more likely to want Zaitsev’s contract than Murray’s. Gambrell can be taken to team-elected arbitration I think, so he doesn’t have to be qualified. Also 4C is the least important position, it could be Bishop, a UFA 4C, or Paul and we sign a UFA 4LW, I just chose Gambrell because why not. Do we know for sure Klingberg wants to stay in Dallas? I thought he’s had some rumours of friction that lead to some of his trade runours. He’s also 4th in ATOI on Dallas and hasn’t exactly been stellar the last couple years (like, not better than Rielly tbh) so they might not be willing to shell out 8mil a year for a 2nd pair guy like we can afford to. And Gibson should be available tbh, I’m not sure why Anaheim refuses to sell. Rakell, Lindholm, Manson, and Gibson at least should all be dealt, and a couple of them should probably have been dealt last year. You can’t just gift a lineup spot to JBD to make Sanderson happy. If Thomson earns the spot, he should get it, and JBD will have to fight for it.

And anybody who thinks Brannstrom isn’t a high end D prospect is kidding themselves, he’s already an elite offensive defenseman at the NHL level, our coach just doesn’t like him for some stupid reason.

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Your whole plan sounds good except for John Gibson. I don’t think that’s close to enough for him but I also don’t think we need him. I see Gustavsson as the next Hellybuck.

I really like Gustavsson, but it would be nice to have an established solid goalie too. He can’t shoulder all the workload behind a mediocre/young defense forever, and we’re not gonna be competitive with Murray ever. Maybe it would be better to sign a tandem goalie to a 2-3 year deal (like a Mrazek or Allen type, except for whoever’s up this year).
Nov. 14, 2021 at 12:34 p.m.
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1. unless the ducks do a total taredown rebuild. Gibson aint going no where

2. Gibson is NOT going to get the ducks lotery picks, or elite prospects, or top 6 players in their early to mid 20s....


2. Not sure which league people have been following if they think that

The OP package doesn't work but Gibson's value is actually closer to this than some people's unrealstic expectations

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Your whole plan sounds good except for John Gibson. I don’t think that’s close to enough for him but I also don’t think we need him. I see Gustavsson as the next Hellybuck.


Totally, don't need to spend money/assets on goalies. We have Filip Gustavsson and Mads Sogaard who IMO will be a beast. I have rarely been wrong about NHL goalies (called Hammond a flash in the pan on his epic run for example. I was pissed at Mike Condon's extension)

Gustavsson vs Sogaard will be a ferocious battle in a few years, don't want to miss that!
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an actual package for gibson would start with a 2022 1st, and also end with a 2022 1st since ottawa looks like a wright contender, and therefore arent trading their 1st this year.


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Yeah except Ottawa won't trade it, and Anaheim doesn't want 1 first that only might turn into Shane Wright.


In fairness to the OP, note that this is an off-season construction, so that the assumption should be that we would know whether the first-round pick is in the top 2 or 3.

Let's assume that the pick is #4 or later. Gibson is signed for five more years, and it seems clear that the Ducks will be contending soon, so that term perfectly matches Anaheim's opening window. Unless the offer for Gibson is really fantastic (like the 2022 first, Drake Batherson and Eric Brannstrom), it doesn't make sense for Anaheim to put their goaltending in question.
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I wasn't planning on commenting on this thread, but these two responses were just ridiculous.

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Brannstrom isn't elite.

Elite players don't play in the ahl in their draft plus 5 season



I don't know what's worse, that you made this comment, or that so many people "liked" it

OP writes, "high end young LD", you respond, "isn't elite", then you go on to use your incorrect change to denigrate the player.

Now, I don't know if the text originally had "elite" and was edited without the notation that it was edited, but there isn't any response that reflects that.


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
You offered zero 1sts in this trade



It's very obvious to anyone capable of a non biased reading, that the OP was referring to White and Brannstrom both being former 1st round picks, and the Ottawa 2022 2nd being near the beginning of the round.

If you don't like something, then don't like it. You don't need to make crap up to somehow make your dislike valid.
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Quoting: QualityTrades1
Here, I'll break down your trade so you can see why all the comments are against you right now:
A struggling D+2 goalie (Mandolese, Kevin)
A depth centre that Anaheim does not need / can find on the UFA market (White, Colin)
A good defense prospect that hasn't lived up to his potential, and as you said, Anaheim is not lacking LD options for the bottom-4 and this one doesn't look top-2 like he used to (Brännström, Erik)
My personal favourite is this guy. A guy who chose to play in the KHL over Ottawa and now you think he's valuable in this trade (Abramov, Vitaly)
and a 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)

The only thing that could be anything of value in this trade is Brannstrom, and that's a pretty big gamble based on his performance since the draft.

So no, this is not "2.5 1st round picks", and Anaheim will get offered a WAY better package should they decide to move on from Gibson


Without commenting about the ACGM specifically, I'd like to address the misconceptions this responder posted in his comment, and I'll break it down for you, sounds condensing, doesn't it?.

Quoting: QualityTrades1
A struggling D+2 goalie (Mandolese, Kevin)


First off, it's his D+4 season, but he's not the main piece of the trade anyway. Most goalie prospects take years to develop, and struggle at times. You're not getting a Gibson type goalie back as the 4th or 5th piece of the trade, the replacement goalie for the system, not Gibson's replacement.

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A depth centre that Anaheim does not need / can find on the UFA market (White, Colin)


A 24 year old centre with 200 NHL games, and 88 points in those 200 games, is not depth. Your use of depth was meant to minimize Whites perceived value. Depth are 4th line centres and replacements. Colin White is a middle6 centre. If you don't like the trade, just say so, don't make crap up.

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A good defense prospect that hasn't lived up to his potential, and as you said, Anaheim is not lacking LD options for the bottom-4 and this one doesn't look top-2 like he used to (Brännström, Erik)


A 22 year old defenceman with 65 NHL games. No he isn't Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes, who are close to the same age as Brannstrom, Hughes is 42 days younger, Makar a year older, and have 111 and 142 NHL games respectively, and both drafted much higher than Brannstrom, 4th and 7th overall as compared to Brannstrom at 15th overall. This comment that Brannstrom hasn't lived up to his potential is beyond ridiculous.

Quoting: QualityTrades1
My personal favourite is this guy. A guy who chose to play in the KHL over Ottawa and now you think he's valuable in this trade (Abramov, Vitaly)
and a 2022 2nd round pick (OTT)


Abramov isn't the cornerstone of this offer any more than Mandolese is, these guys are the players meant to bolster Anaheim's prospect pool. BTW, Abramov left the Sens organization because he was looking up at Tkachuk, Stützle, Batherson, Brown, and Formenton, and had Jarventie and Sokolov joining the B-Sens, and Greig following shortly behind. He was being squeezed out, but has the same development path as Ryan Dzingel, a useful middle6 winger.

Quoting: QualityTrades1
The only thing that could be anything of value in this trade is Brannstrom, and that's a pretty big gamble based on his performance since the draft.

So no, this is not "2.5 1st round picks", and Anaheim will get offered a WAY better package should they decide to move on from Gibson


So yes, this is 2.5 1st round picks, considering the Sens 2022 2nd round pick will be at the beginning of the round. Maybe Anaheim can get a better package for Gibson, maybe they can't, it doesn't matter, this is just a discussion, but try to deal in reality, or it isn't even a discussion.

Personally, I prefer the Murray/Gustavsson tandem in Ottawa
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Nov. 14, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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I wasn't planning on commenting on this thread, but these two responses were just ridiculous.




I don't know what's worse, that you made this comment, or that so many people "liked" it

OP writes, "high end young LD", you respond, "isn't elite", then you go on to use your incorrect change to denigrate the player.

Now, I don't know if the text originally had "elite" and was edited without the notation that it was edited, but there isn't any response that reflects that.





It's very obvious to anyone capable of a non biased reading, that the OP was referring to White and Brannstrom both being former 1st round picks, and the Ottawa 2022 2nd being near the beginning of the round.

If you don't like something, then don't like it. You don't need to make crap up to somehow make your dislike valid.


Who cares if they were drafted in the first round? They aren't worth 1st rounders right now.
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Who cares if they were drafted in the first round? They aren't worth 1st rounders right now.


You missed the point, he has a basis for his comment. As for their current value, debating this with a biased person is folly.
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Without commenting about the ACGM specifically, I'd like to address the misconceptions this responder posted in his comment, and I'll break it down for you, sounds condensing, doesn't it?.



First off, it's his D+4 season, but he's not the main piece of the trade anyway. Most goalie prospects take years to develop, and struggle at times. You're not getting a Gibson type goalie back as the 4th or 5th piece of the trade, the replacement goalie for the system, not Gibson's replacement.



A 24 year old centre with 200 NHL games, and 88 points in those 200 games, is not depth. Your use of depth was meant to minimize Whites perceived value. Depth are 4th line centres and replacements. Colin White is a middle6 centre. If you don't like the trade, just say so, don't make crap up.



A 22 year old defenceman with 65 NHL games. No he isn't Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes, who are close to the same age as Brannstrom, Hughes is 42 days younger, Makar a year older, and have 111 and 142 NHL games respectively, and both drafted much higher than Brannstrom, 4th and 7th overall as compared to Brannstrom at 15th overall. This comment that Brannstrom hasn't lived up to his potential is beyond ridiculous.



Abramov isn't the cornerstone of this offer any more than Mandolese is, these guys are the players meant to bolster Anaheim's prospect pool. BTW, Abramov left the Sens organization because he was looking up at Tkachuk, Stützle, Batherson, Brown, and Formenton, and had Jarventie and Sokolov joining the B-Sens, and Greig following shortly behind. He was being squeezed out, but has the same development path as Ryan Dzingel, a useful middle6 winger.



So yes, this is 2.5 1st round picks, considering the Sens 2022 2nd round pick will be at the beginning of the round. Maybe Anaheim can get a better package for Gibson, maybe they can't, it doesn't matter, this is just a discussion, but try to deal in reality, or it isn't even a discussion.

Personally, I prefer the Murray/Gustavsson tandem in Ottawa




Haha listen guy. This is how the website works. Discussions of what people think.

1) The goalie is doing poorly and has never been highly rated
2) Colin White had opportunities to play on the Sens first line and it wasn’t talent that dropped him down, it was his performance. He’s a fine piece, but as I said, Anaheim doesn’t need a depth centre at this point, and a replacement can be found in a UFA market.
3) Addressing the weakest argument, which is the great assumption that he is still as valuable as his draft position. Now I’m not saying he’s not going to be something, I’m saying that currently he has not followed the trajectory that many scouts and fans hoped he would based on his draft ranking and ability. Could this change? Absolutely. Could he be a 1D? Maybe. But that’s a lot to gamble on for the best part of a package that involves a quality goalie locked in at a good price for long-term.
4) This is just straight up bad. Fact is he left the Sens because he wasn’t good enough to hang around. Why wouldn’t the sens have traded his rights? Do you think they’re waiting until he rejoins? Or that he’ll have better development overseas where they can’t control it? Just a bad take.

All-in-all, the points you raised sound like every other hometown fanboy. The fact you think that any of these prospects or players combined can equate the value of Gibson under contract and term is astounding.
- Wildcard goalie
- KHL player that couldn’t an underwhelming NHL roster
- A “middle-6” centre for a few years
- A highly regarded but so far underwhelming D prospect

No 1st round picks, no high end forwards, no quality players. All for a goalie with the resume, term, and price of Gibson.

Side Note: Colin White and Brannstrom being high draft picks is such a weak argument. Go and look at how many 1st round draft picks either didn’t pan out, or became modest players vs elite talent.
But hey, it’s just a discussion right? I’d be down to circle back to this after everyone can get a real good look at all the prospects mentioned and will gladly tell you I was very wrong if that is the case.
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Haha listen guy. This is how the website works. Discussions of what people think.

1) The goalie is doing poorly and has never been highly rated
2) Colin White had opportunities to play on the Sens first line and it wasn’t talent that dropped him down, it was his performance. He’s a fine piece, but as I said, Anaheim doesn’t need a depth centre at this point, and a replacement can be found in a UFA market.
3) Addressing the weakest argument, which is the great assumption that he is still as valuable as his draft position. Now I’m not saying he’s not going to be something, I’m saying that currently he has not followed the trajectory that many scouts and fans hoped he would based on his draft ranking and ability. Could this change? Absolutely. Could he be a 1D? Maybe. But that’s a lot to gamble on for the best part of a package that involves a quality goalie locked in at a good price for long-term.
4) This is just straight up bad. Fact is he left the Sens because he wasn’t good enough to hang around. Why wouldn’t the sens have traded his rights? Do you think they’re waiting until he rejoins? Or that he’ll have better development overseas where they can’t control it? Just a bad take.

All-in-all, the points you raised sound like every other hometown fanboy. The fact you think that any of these prospects or players combined can equate the value of Gibson under contract and term is astounding.
- Wildcard goalie
- KHL player that couldn’t an underwhelming NHL roster
- A “middle-6” centre for a few years
- A highly regarded but so far underwhelming D prospect

No 1st round picks, no high end forwards, no quality players. All for a goalie with the resume, term, and price of Gibson.

Side Note: Colin White and Brannstrom being high draft picks is such a weak argument. Go and look at how many 1st round draft picks either didn’t pan out, or became modest players vs elite talent.
But hey, it’s just a discussion right? I’d be down to circle back to this after everyone can get a real good look at all the prospects mentioned and will gladly tell you I was very wrong if that is the case.


Bullcrap rhetoric. If this is your idea of a legitimate argument, I'm wasting my time with you. wow, lol

Enjoy your rebuild in Anaheim
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