Easy NO for the Rangers.

DeBrincat has a lot of value, but not that much

Don't see DeBrincat getting that much.

I want to see DeBrincat and Stützle together SO badly, but I don't think it makes sense at this price

As nice as it would be the Jets don't have the cap space for Toews and aren't in a position to contemplate overpaying like this to acquire him.

Doesn't he? I know he's playing with Kane so that helps his numbers but he's a legit 40-50 goals scorer. I think the value is pretty decent here with 2 good prospects and a 1rst rounder. These prospects are far form being impactful players and Ottawa needs to take a step forward.

The thing is the prospects are really good. Plus the first rounder is so high. If it was a pick in the 20's I would say it's fair

Rangers probably don't have the cap for Kane. Gee, it's 2022, Toews doesn't have that value, and again it's cap issue for the Jets.
Too much for Sens to give up. Sens are depending on Pinto to be their centre. Sens are much better to spend 6.4 on a quality UFA and keep those young assets.

You're getting a 100 point forward for 5 million dollars without giving up Kakko, Laf, and Schneider. If the Rangers were seriously interested in Kane (which every insider has confirmed they were), you're not getting him for less than this

Easy no from Ottawa. Love Cat but he's not worth all three of the teams most valuable trade assets.

Even if he did, FIala could be had for just the 5th overall pick which compared to this deal is nothing.

That's not the 3 most valuable assets of the Sens. Also, that 5th overall in this draft year is not a 5th in a normal year; more like a mid 1st in a normal year as the first half of the first round in 2022 isn't all that interesting.

They get Kane for 1 year and that's it. That is not worth the cost you propose. NO THANKS.

Greig has the second highest points per game in the WHL playing on a team thats considerably worse than any of the guys around or ahead of him. He probably scored the nicest goal of any Senator this year in the preseason against Winnipeg. Plays a very hard nosed, physical, agitating type of game. He's very close to being impactful already. If his impact in the NHL isnt next year then 100% its the year after. Probably Ottawa's best prospect now that Sanderson's signed and with the big club.

Pinto's impact is already being felt. He ended last season as the runner up to Cole Caufield for the Hobey Baker while also being arguably the best faceoff man in the entire NCAA and one of the more responsible forwards. He stepped in at the end of the season and immediately put up 7 points in his first 12 games while on one of the worst teams in the league. Coincidence that Ottawa turned their season around when he stepped in a 3C? He was pencilled in at 3C to start this season as well but unfortunately had a freak shoulder injury 5 games into the season. But his impact is already here.

Even the 5th (or maybe even higher) could actually make an NHL impact next season as well. Assuming the top 5 is Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Slafkovsky and Nemec I'd say it's realistic.


All that to say this isnt "two good prospects and a 1st" it's two A prospects and a top 5 pick and far from being impactful isnt nearly generous enough.

What tradeable asset is worth more? Stuetzle, Norris, Tkachuk, Chabot, Sanderson... None of those guys are moving and the next most valuable assets that could potentially be moved are Pinto and Greig.

Also don't know where youre getting the idea that the top 5 this year isnt valuable when Salfkovsky could very well go 5th and did significantly better than the 5th overall pick from last year at the biggest tournament this year.....

"Tradeable assets" is highly subjective and any of our viewpoints probably differ from a GM. Any asset in the NHL is tradeable for the right price is my point, so the phrase "tradeable asset" is a oxymoron.

You can't compare draft classes playing against one another in their class gauging results in a tournament as a barometer. It is widely discussed by pro scouts and analysts that the 2022 1st round, specifically top 15 picks, are noticeably weaker then years prior and certainly next year. There is no "elite" talent in the top picks. Most will now argue Wright isn't even a "elite" level talent. While projecting the future of drafted players is incredibly hard, again most analysts believe the 1st round is full of good players but nothing in the top 10 stands out as elite level. Of course, this can change, but certainly the #5 pick is probably in the range of #10 to #15 in 2023 for comparison sake.

The notion of dismissing the term "tradeable asset" as an oxymoron is a little silly because of course any player can be traded, Gretzky was traded. But at the same time, the Hawks werent moving Toews or Kane when they were contending and everyone knew that.... essentially not "tradeable assets" or at the very least not assets that you consider moving in a trade that isnt earth shattering. Chabot, Sanderson, Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Batherson and Norris are in that same category, the top tier that Ottawa has no interest in touching. DIRECTLY after that tier is Pinto and Greig and this years 1st round pick, Ottawa is by no means looking to move them but they could be moved if needed (tradeable assets).

By all accounts 2023 is elite so there not point in comparing any year to next. I'm specifically comparing the impact that the #5 pick from 2021 had at the olympics against the impact of the projected #5 pick in 2022. Johnson did great for Canada and 5 points in 5 games is nothing to scoff at but Slafkovsky more than held his own. One of the best players at the tournament with 7 goals in 7 games and he did it in his D-1 year compared to Johnson in his D+1 year. Obviously still not apples to apples but in a best on best tournament, by no means was he outshined.

But again, Fiala could be had for JUST the 1st round pick so there really is zero interest from Ottawa's end in adding their two best blue chip pieces to get Cat instead.

I'm not sure Fiala can be had for just a 1st, and what is his cap hit in doing so next year with a new contract? Additionally, comparing the two, easily would take Cat over Fiala which is why Cat would cost a lot more then Fiala. Cat is a better goal scorer and gets less of his points from assists or secondary assists then Fiala. Not to mention he's going on 26 in July versus Cat being 24 and the difference in cap hits next year with Fiala making a good case to get a big payday and we all know how much Ottawa likes to hand out big contracts. Easy to understand why Fiala is cheaper.

All said and done, I highly doubt Cat gets moved and if he is shopped, there will be 31 teams interested in him...his acquisition costs will go through the ceiling. I can't remember the last time a elite goal scorer/forward at age 24 on a affordable cap hit and then a RFA in a year in good standing with the current team and no health issues hit the market. There's good reason why players like that don't get moved; 1) still young enough to be a big factor for a rebuilding team or any team, 2) every team would be interested and the cost to acquire will approach unreasonable amounts

Well, first there's a difference between a 1st rounder and a top-5 pick...

Then of course Pinto and Greig "are far form being impactful players" because they are very young and haven't started their NHL careers yet. Pinto was supposed to but unfortunately got injured. If he didn't have this injury, this conversation wouldn't even be happening.

Greig will probably make the team at camp and never look back. He's going to be an impact player based on how looked in the AHL at 18 years old, and all he did since.

DeBrincat is great but I'm not doing that. I'd rather take my chances with Greig, Pinto and Nemec (or someone else)