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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #6 - Alex DeBrincat is an Ottawa Senator

Jul. 12, 2022 at 8:07 a.m.
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Is the Ottawa Gm a good gm now
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 8:19 a.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Bottom 4 are Arizona, Chicago, Montreal, and Philadelphia. Top 4 are Colorado, Calgary, Carolina, and Toronto (with the caveats that Toronto needs to get a decent goaltender and Calgary needs to bring all their free agents back, but we don’t have clarity on that yet).


Quoting: DirtyDangle
top 4
colorado
vegas
carolina
tampa

bottom 4
chicago
arizona
montreal
columbus


Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I really can't see Montreal being a bottom 4 team. Bottom 10 sure, but unless we completely tank I can't see us being that bad.

Bottom 4
Arizona
Chicago
Seattle
Boston (might as well be bold)

Top 4
Tampa
Florida
Colorado
Vegas


Quoting: Devil
Colorado
Vegas
Tampa
Carolina

Arizona
Montreal
Chicago
Philly


Quoting: Tintin
In no particular order.
Bottom 4: Yotes, Hawks, Ducks, Habs
Final 4: Avs, Oilers, Panthers, Canes


Quoting: justaBoss
Top: Toronto, Vegas, Carolina, Colorado

Bottom: Arizona, Chicago, Seattle, Buffalo


I would go,
Top 4,
Tampa - Carolina (Really wanted to pick Ottowa if they can get a GK.)
Colorado - Edmonton? (Vegas is the wildcard)

Bottom 4,
Arizona, Chicago, Anaheim and Colombus. (Close teams are Montreal, San Jose, Seattle?)
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 8:28 a.m.
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
I would go,
Top 4,
Tampa - Carolina (Really wanted to pick Ottowa if they can get a GK.)
Colorado - Edmonton? (Vegas is the wildcard)

Bottom 4,
Arizona, Chicago, Anaheim and Colombus. (Close teams are Montreal, San Jose, Seattle?)


Top 4
Washington

Fight me
Jul. 12, 2022 at 9:35 a.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121
Top 4
Washington

Fight me


I'll let your active rostered GK fight me.

Oh shoot, there isn't 1.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 9:36 a.m.
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I'll let your active rostered GK fight me.

Oh shoot, there isn't 1.

Kuemper is a cap
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 9:55 a.m.
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Caps fooked up, he is not there yet but I think Sammy will eventually be a top 5-10 goalie in the league.

GMBM had a master plan of King Henrik mentoring him and molding him into the next franchise goalie, it could not have worked out any worse.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 9:59 a.m.
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i wonder if todays the day leafs move sandin. in a few hours he can start talking offersheet with other teams.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i wonder if todays the day leafs move sandin. in a few hours he can start talking offersheet with other teams.


Their plan according to Freidge is get another Goalie and sign Sandin so I doubt it
Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:04 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Their plan according to Freidge is get another Goalie and sign Sandin so I doubt it


Didn't Sandin say he didn't want to stay in Toronto because he wasn't getting enough opportunity?
Plus he would be way too expensive now after Murray trade
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:09 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Their plan according to Freidge is get another Goalie and sign Sandin so I doubt it


he better do it fast because in another day it might cost $4m
Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.
Quoting: Saskleaf
2 months, sure. How about the last 3 years though? Campbell has been quite a bit better, and paying an extra 500k to keep him would have been way smarter.


but for 3 or 4 more years on the contract it probably wasnt worth it. realistically murray represented one of the highest ceilings available with a short term deal. Keumper or campbell might be better goalies, but can the leafs really commit 5 or 6 years to a goalie at like 5 or 6 million? probably not.

like campbell and kuemper might be better in the short run but why sell-out the potential future 7 years of the team to try and win now? Like no offense to leafs fans i think they have a good team but i really really dont think they're only a goalie away right now. The leafs have a great pipeline of prospects who look like they can make a difference and contribute for cheap and in the near future, matthews, marner and nylander are all 26 and under. There was no sense in potentially bogging down the future 5-6 years with a high $ goalie contract when the future ceiling of the team has the potential to be way higher. Could they have gotten him for a cheaper cap hit? yeah absolutely, but like fit & upside wise he was honestly the best option
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:13 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
he better do it fast because in another day it might cost $4m


Then I'm sure he wouldn't match. Toronto's not in a position to be offering players what they're worth (as unfortunate as that sounds)
Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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Wtf
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.
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Quoting: Devil




Wtf


That makes no sense unless the Devils have big plans.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
He inherited the best leafs team ever constructed and did nothing with it you mean

He didn’t inherit sh*t lol, there are only 5 players from the 17-18 roster (last Lou year) still on the team, and one of them is Justin Holl. This is unquestionably his team at this point and pretending otherwise is kidding yourself.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
That makes no sense unless the Devils have big plans.


Kuokkanen wouldn't have made the roster but I would have figured he has at least some value on the trade market
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Kuokkanen wouldn't have made the roster but I would have figured he has at least some value on the trade market


I swear I thought it was EsoYeezus responding to me
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.
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I swear I thought it was EsoYeezus responding to me


He needs to change profile pic back 😂
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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Through all the Dubas quagmire, there is still only 17-NHL players currently ready, in a 23-player league, w/ ~ US$6.4M cap left...

So it's yet another year of filling gargantuan holes w/ old-fossils, grey-beard grunts, AHL-ECHLer calibre league minimum press-boxers, and 24-beer beer leaguers; which is not a "Stanley" recipe!

It's Slapshot!
Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: Borocop
but for 3 or 4 more years on the contract it probably wasnt worth it. realistically murray represented one of the highest ceilings available with a short term deal. Keumper or campbell might be better goalies, but can the leafs really commit 5 or 6 years to a goalie at like 5 or 6 million? probably not.

like campbell and kuemper might be better in the short run but why sell-out the potential future 7 years of the team to try and win now? Like no offense to leafs fans i think they have a good team but i really really dont think they're only a goalie away right now. The leafs have a great pipeline of prospects who look like they can make a difference and contribute for cheap and in the near future, matthews, marner and nylander are all 26 and under. There was no sense in potentially bogging down the future 5-6 years with a high $ goalie contract when the future ceiling of the team has the potential to be way higher. Could they have gotten him for a cheaper cap hit? yeah absolutely, but like fit & upside wise he was honestly the best option


The leafs are on winnow mode. I like Murray’s upside, and I think for certain teams this would have been good trade, but this has way to much risk for a contending team. While this could turn out to be a smart move, it could also turn out to be a complete dumpster fire, and Campbell and Kuemper would not turn into a dumpster fire until at least a couple of years.
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:38 a.m.
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Today would be a great day to trade Semyon Varlamov
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: SevenLeg
That makes no sense unless the Devils have big plans.


big like josh anderson big?
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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big like josh anderson big?


Or big like Jake Allen for a 4th big
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Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
He inherited the best leafs team ever constructed and did nothing with it you mean


? He inherited crap. There’s actual arguments that Dubas sucks so of all things I’m not sure why you brought this up.
Jul. 12, 2022 at 10:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
The leafs are on winnow mode. I like Murray’s upside, and I think for certain teams this would have been good trade, but this has way to much risk for a contending team. While this could turn out to be a smart move, it could also turn out to be a complete dumpster fire, and Campbell and Kuemper would not turn into a dumpster fire until at least a couple of years.


i really dont think theyre in win-now mode though, like if they were they would be trading big futures for good players on retained deals. I think theyre in compete now mode for sure, but they need some of their younger players to take on bigger roles (Sandin, liljegren, robertson, even knies and neimela & hirvonen) before I really think theyre in win-now mode. Like again i really like their team matthews and marner are 2 of the leagues best, but to me they really need that john tavares contract off the books before theyre a real win-now team and that only happens down the line
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