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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #8 - Gone Fishing

Jul. 17, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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Decent depth signing
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Yeah he aint getting that

At most 2mill maybe on three years.

As Sandin has played less games than Boqvist and if we look at the comparable for Sandin's next deal

1. Liligren 1.4 x 2 years
2. Valimakki 1.55 x 2 years
3. Jokiharju 2.5 x 3 years (Joki played in way more games)
4. Boqvist 2.6 x 3 (same as Joki)

Honestly Vali's deal is the best for him as if we compare him to Liligren hes played in 14 more games and has 4 more points


A strategy to price himself out? Lou should offer sheet him it makes too much sense for them or we trade him there for Bellows plus
Jul. 17, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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Quoting: GarthBrooks




That’s fair for Sandin, I’d give him that, he’s slightly unproven but that has the potential to be an amazing deal down the road
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
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Quoting: GarthBrooks
A strategy to price himself out? Lou should offer sheet him it makes too much sense for them or we trade him there for Bellows plus


He just saw someone his age get money and is going gimmie but if we compare Sandin to Boqvist, Boqvist was the better guy

I feel 1.85 x 2 years or 2mill x 3 years is more than fair but when comparing him to Liligren honestly 1.55m should be the hit
Jul. 17, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Decent depth signing


Good depth signing. Drove Dallas fans nuts during that finals run because he couldn't score goals, but seemed to do everything else well.
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Matheson is younger and cheaper you’d have to assume Hughes liked that. While I do currently think we got shafted, the deal really comes down to does Matheson keep up his analytically good season (you’d have to assume our new analytics department played a part in that), if he does, it’s a good deal, if he falls off and shows it was an outlier year, then he’ll be replaced when the kids are ready


Why do we care if he's good or not though? We are rebuilding
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Why do we care if he's good or not though? We are rebuilding


So you could flip him for more down the road. You need good players to sell tickets also.
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:15 p.m.
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So you could flip him for more down the road. You need good players to sell tickets also.


habs are one of the few teams that are the exception to that rule
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:19 p.m.
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Idk, made me laugh
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:33 p.m.
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I think Lukas Sedlak will surprise some people this year

in his 3 NHL seasons he had an elite defensive impact:

16-17: -0.28 relTM xGA/60 and was in the 80th percentile in even strength defensive WAR
17-18: -0.36 relTM xGA/60 and was in the 96th percentile in even strength defensive WAR
18-19: -0.40 relTM xGA/60 and was in the 90th percentile in even strength defensive WAR

but struggled offensively and had poor finishing ability:

16-17: -0.03 relTM xGF/60, was in the 62nd percentile in even strength offensive WAR, and was in the 32nd percentile in shooting ability WAR
17-18: -0.57 relTM xGF/60, was in the 13th percentile in even strength offensive WAR, and was in the 2nd percentile in shooting ability WAR
18-19: -0.06 relTM xGF/60, was in the 49th percentile in even strength offensive WAR, and was in the 21st percentile in shooting ability WAR

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Seems kinda similar to Valeri Nichushkin where he had elite defensive impacts but poor offense and finishing ability in his final season with DAL:

Defense:
18-19: -0.27 relTM xGA/60 and was in the 93rd percentile in even strength defensive WAR

Offense:
18-19: -0.29 relTM xGF/60, was in the 8th percentile in even strength offensive WAR, and was in the 2nd percentile in shooting ability WAR



His next year in Colorado Nichushkin continued his elite defensive play and his offense and finishing ability ended up above average

Defense:
19-20: -0.48 relTM xGA/60 and was in the 99th percentile in even strength defensive WAR

Offense:
19-20: +0.22 relTM xGF/60, was in the 70th percentile in even strength offensive WAR, and was in the 63rd percentile in shooting ability WAR

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Plus Sedlak scored at a 0.74P/GP rate in his 3 KHL seasons while Nichushkin scored at a 0.59P/GP rate in the KHL (not including his rookie year). Nichushkin was younger when he played in the KHL but I think this still means Sedlak has some untapped offensive potential to go along with his elite defensive play. Im not saying Sedlak is going to be the Nichushkin we saw this year, but if he has a good transition back to the NHL I think he can perform like Nichushkin did in 19-20 and 20-21 - a very defensively sound middle 6 winger
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.
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Quoting: GarthBrooks




23 and under (1st contract signed after ELC)

Adam Boqvist 2.6 (over 128+ games, over 40 more than Sandin)and with almost twice as many points
Henri Jokiharju 2.5 (played over 200+ games, almost double Sandin)
Juuso Välimäki 1.55
Timothy Liljegren 1.4

Without any arbitration rights, outside of banking on potential, I don’t see Sandin having any leverage outside of an offer sheet (which is definitely a possibility). I see this getting down at just under 2mil for 2years.
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Yeah he aint getting that

At most 2mill maybe on three years.

As Sandin has played less games than Boqvist and if we look at the comparable for Sandin's next deal

1. Liligren 1.4 x 2 years
2. Valimakki 1.55 x 2 years
3. Jokiharju 2.5 x 3 years (Joki played in way more games)
4. Boqvist 2.6 x 3 (same as Joki)

Honestly Vali's deal is the best for him as if we compare him to Liligren hes played in 14 more games and has 4 more points


My bad, missed this
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121
So you could flip him for more down the road. You need good players to sell tickets also.


Nah, no one is gonna want him in this cap world
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Nah, no one is gonna want him in this cap world


Islanders would
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:45 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
23 and under (1st contract signed after ELC)

Adam Boqvist 2.6 (over 128+ games, over 40 more than Sandin)and with almost twice as many points
Henri Jokiharju 2.5 (played over 200+ games, almost double Sandin)
Juuso Välimäki 1.55
Timothy Liljegren 1.4

Without any arbitration rights, outside of banking on potential, I don’t see Sandin having any leverage outside of an offer sheet (which is definitely a possibility). I see this getting down at just under 2mil for 2years.


To me He should make between 1.85mill and 2 mill for 2 to 3 years

But the fact he is asking for more money than Liligren when hes only played 14 more games and has 4 more points and has very similar if not worse stats is kind of funny.
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Why do we care if he's good or not though? We are rebuilding


We still need a semblance of a team, we’re not going to go Arizona mode and run Mark Donk and Buzz Flibbett as our top goalie and 1st liners. Matheson, if good and repeats his year, is a decent piece to build on, if bad, well who cares, we’re tanking like you said, so we don’t need him to be good, this move was made to clear cap mostly and to get younger, take a shot on Matheson
Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
To me He should make between 1.85mill and 2 mill for 2 to 3 years

But the fact he is asking for more money than Liligren when hes only played 14 more games and has 4 more points and has very similar if not worse stats is kind of funny.


He is a great player and the Leafs certainly need his ability to move the puck, but his lack of high end straight line speed will always be his achilles heel and prevent him from being a legit top pairing LD. He has crushed in a third pairing roll, struggled when played on his offside, so something will have to give.

Either Muzzin is traded, which would be ideal so you can go out and get a top 6 winger potentially, then pair Sandin and Brodie on the 2nd pair. That would be a dream scenario
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 12:54 p.m.
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He is a great player and the Leafs certainly need his ability to move the puck, but his lack of high end straight line speed will always be his achilles heel and prevent him from being a legit top pairing LD. He has crushed in a third pairing roll, struggled when played on his offside, so something will have to give.

Either Muzzin is traded, which would be ideal so you can go out and get a top 6 winger potentially, then pair Sandin and Brodie on the 2nd pair. That would be a dream scenario


Honestly if Leafs can convince Rielly to play the right I feel

Muzzin-Rielly
Sandin-Brodie
Gio-Liligren is fine

Rielly got his money and scores most of his goals on the right so a feel a transition is fine. If all goes well then the Leafs can role with this and in 2023 with 1 year left (if necessary) maybe Muzzin will be easier to move especially if he has a good season. Or heck if he suffers another injury (not wishing but could happen) then he could spend 2023-2024 on LTIR
Jul. 17, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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I so badly want fantasy mock drafts to start already...

It's like ACGM without having a million idiots go "Yzerman would never"/"Are you high right now"/"They're never trading Schneider"/"Add 5 1sts and McDavid and we'll think about it"
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
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Decent depth signing


Was looking at him but I feel a more physical 2-way wing is needed

As rn we got 2 guys for our 4th line who can play that but we need one more

ZAR or Motte I feel would be perfect
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 1:58 p.m.
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What in tarnation
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I had myself a little experiment over these past 48 hours of the UFA market starting.

How many notifications can you gather up without touching that button once while being very active on the forums (without watching any threads other than my own AGMs, too.)

The end result - pretty f*cking many

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For the memes I shall not be touching that until I reach 4 digits, just to make sure it actually can reach that far lol.

Apologies if I had missed some tags because of it as I literally can't check right now awesome face


Due to unforeseen circumstances my attempt at reach four digits has come to a sudden halt.

We've reached 874 until sh*t hit the fan.

I'm so pissed off rn
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Was looking at him but I feel a more physical 2-way wing is needed

As rn we got 2 guys for our 4th line who can play that but we need one more

ZAR or Motte I feel would be perfect


Motte on the Leafs would take an already terrific PK to another level (although they did lose Mikheyev)
Jul. 17, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
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If I see another Kadri to the Leafs or PLD to the Habs ACGM I'm going to scream.
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.
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Apparently the Sens are linked to Myers. Guess they want all of our RD. He’s good I promise!
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Jul. 17, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: PointStamkosVasilevskiy219188
Motte on the Leafs would take an already terrific PK to another level (although they did lose Mikheyev)


Losing Mikheyev on the PK will hurt but not to to much

As rn they have

Kampf
Marner
Kerfoot (could be traded but rn is here)
Engvall
Jarnkrok
Nylander (He pk's now in rare instances)

Honestly would love to see Matthews PK. He was 10th in Selke voting without PKing

Just imagine a Matthews-Marner PK tandem

But yeah if we can get Motte thats a guy who would be so good for the 4th line
 
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