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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

Sep. 16, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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Juhjar Khaira to Nashville apparently


I think you meant Minnesota

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1703080445888393691?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Sep. 16, 2023 at 5:05 p.m.
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Let me know if I’m missing anything, but why is there an investigation into Babcock if both Babcock and Jenner said it was a positive experience and Babcock reciprocated by showing Jenner family photos from his phone? In addition, the story assumes grown men don’t know the word “No”. The only thing that should come of this situation, if anything, would be to shatter Barstool’s credibility.
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Sep. 16, 2023 at 6:00 p.m.
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Let me know if I’m missing anything, but why is there an investigation into Babcock if both Babcock and Jenner said it was a positive experience and Babcock reciprocated by showing Jenner family photos from his phone? In addition, the story assumes grown men don’t know the word “No”. The only thing that should come of this situation, if anything, would be to shatter Barstool’s credibility.


Because it wasn't only Babcock and Jenner involved. At least one of the younger players in the org reportedly felt uncomfortable with the situation.
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Sep. 16, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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New Bruins jerseys leaked out and it seems like they're being met with some hate? I for one REALLY like them. Love them even. Super excited to see them worn in game
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Sep. 16, 2023 at 7:10 p.m.
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If anybody is bored Bedard is skating for the Hawks against the Blues prospects on YouTube. Good production quality.

Is at the two teams official channels.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:06 a.m.
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Because it wasn't only Babcock and Jenner involved. At least one of the younger players in the org reportedly felt uncomfortable with the situation.


Thanks for the info. In that case, I think if the player was uncomfortable with the request, he should’ve told Babcock no. If the player complied, or said no and Babcock backed off, but complained to the media, I think that the player would be in the wrong. However, if the player said no, but Babcock insisted, I think the player has a leg to stand on. I still think it was blown way out of proportion though, what about you?
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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Thanks for the info. In that case, I think if the player was uncomfortable with the request, he should’ve told Babcock no. If the player complied, or said no and Babcock backed off, but complained to the media, I think that the player would be in the wrong. However, if the player said no, but Babcock insisted, I think the player has a leg to stand on. I still think it was blown way out of proportion though, what about you?


Without all the facts it's a tough call to make. These kids are alone in the room with their new head coach. The power-dynamic is completely shifted in favor of the coach. If the sharing of photos with Jenner (a 30-year old NHL "legacy" player with 11 years experience, team captain, NHLPA team representative, and a member of the NHLPA Executive Board) came up naturally in conversation it was as close of between "peers" in power dynamics that you can find. Perhaps Jenner felt that sharing his phone photos impromptu IS a testament to what type of "man he is" and agrees with that philosophy.

If after that, Babcock was emboldened with the idea and then basically went down the line with all the players including young players that are fighting for a roster spot under new coach, new system. Perhaps a 19 year old from a less than privileged family, or a foreign country, does not feel the same at all. The power dynamic is not the same thing anymore. They NEED the coach to like them so they get playing time. Perhaps one of them has photos that he absolutely DOES NOT want to share. If Babcock tells him: "C'mon everyone is doing this to prove what type of man you are; even your captain says so" this is basically a threat to another player. This could be a type of hazing.

If all of it was innocent and above board, the players should have been told in advance. The Coach wants you all to meet with him and get to know each other; he would like for you to share with him any photos of family, friends, vacations, hobbies, pets, etc to get to know you better and he'll do the same; please be prepared in advance.

Doing it the way it was done COULD have been the recipe for disaster.

We don't know the facts, but I know my 19 and 21 year old nieces and nephews might agree to it and then regret it later or feel that it was a violation; but felt powerless to refuse at the time.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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archived the "suing capfriendly" acgm because it's very funny https://web.archive.org/web/20230917182847/https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/760855
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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archived the "suing capfriendly" acgm because it's very funny https://web.archive.org/web/20230917182847/https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/760855


Dont they realize the only people who win are the Lawyers tsk tsk lul

Also heres another one to archive

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4577091
Sep. 17, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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archived the "suing capfriendly" acgm because it's very funny https://web.archive.org/web/20230917182847/https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/760855


I swear some people have no grasp on reality... Im just going to choose to believe that is satire.

The funniest thing is that this guy is going on about bans, which means one of two things is true:

- This guy is going off of hear-say (my theory is that one of his buddies got banned after breaching the TOS, but is adamant that he did "nothing wrong")

OR

- This guy got banned and is using an alternate account to evade the ban, which itself is a breach of the TOS

Of course, this could also be some kind of scam. The OP did mention wanting e-mails to distribute money after his inevitable win over the diabolical mega corporation Capfriendly
Sep. 17, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
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I swear some people have no grasp on reality... Im just going to choose to believe that is satire.

The funniest thing is that this guy is going on about bans, which means one of two things is true:

- This guy is going off of hear-say (my theory is that one of his buddies got banned after breaching the TOS, but is adamant that he did "nothing wrong")

OR

- This guy got banned and is using an alternate account to evade the ban, which itself is a breach of the TOS

Of course, this could also be some kind of scam. The OP did mention wanting e-mails to distribute money after his inevitable win over the diabolical mega corporation Capfriendly


Read through the comments of the post, he said he has friends that were banned. Sounds like a classic case of leaving out context
Sep. 17, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1703495344523227303

"It is expected that Mike Babcock will resign as head coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets this afternoon"

WOW
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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Frank Seravalli -

Sources say #CBJ and Mike Babcock are indeed parting ways.

Investigation by #NHLPA left no path for Babcock to continue as coach. Much of last 24-48 hours was spent negotiating his exit.

Strong message sent: Treat all players with respect, as you would in any proper workplace.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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Crazy news out of Columbus. Wonder who comes in. Maybe the Jackets hire Biz
Sep. 17, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Frank Seravalli -

Sources say #CBJ and Mike Babcock are indeed parting ways.

Investigation by #NHLPA left no path for Babcock to continue as coach. Much of last 24-48 hours was spent negotiating his exit.

Strong message sent: Treat all players with respect, as you would in any proper workplace.


Watch them hire Joel Quenneville for strike 2 but then again he probs wont be reinstated till 2024

So probs Gerard Gallant
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Crazy news out of Columbus. Wonder who comes in. Maybe the Jackets hire Biz


Nvm it's Pascal Vincent (the guy who should've got the job all along)
Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.
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Nvm it's Pascal Vincent (the guy who should've got the job all along)


Thank god. Fantilli is saved!
Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 17, 2023 at 8:08 p.m.. Reason: Spelling fix
Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1703495344523227303

"It is expected that Mike Babcock will resign as head coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets this afternoon"

WOW


Babcock has likely coached his last ever NHL game.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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Babcock knew what he was doing . Young Guys like Fantilli, Johnston, sillinger, boqvist likely had pictures of them partying/drinking and he knew it would make them feel uncomfortable
Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Babcock knew what he was doing . Young Guys like Fantilli, Johnston, sillinger, boqvist likely had pictures of them partying/drinking and he knew it would make them feel uncomfortable


As a coach he should be allowed to motivate his players (especially the young guys) to be training and improving instead of partying
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:35 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1703495344523227303

"It is expected that Mike Babcock will resign as head coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets this afternoon"

WOW


It's official now.
Something about several minute long, meetings away from team facilities and younger players.

Quoting: Db1899
Babcock knew what he was doing . Young Guys like Fantilli, Johnston, sillinger, boqvist likely had pictures of them partying/drinking and he knew it would make them feel uncomfortable


I'd say that is as likely an explanation as any. Younger players don't have "families" in the same sense as the older players, and likely have more "intimately revealing" photos, such as parties, pictures with girls (or guys), things they found funny, like their buddy Frank mounting a fire hydrant, etc.
Generally ammunition a coach could use to exert control or shame into desired behaviors.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 4:47 p.m.
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As a coach he should be allowed to motivate his players (especially the young guys) to be training and improving instead of partying


He can motivate them without going through their camera roll. You can train hard and still have time to party.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Barry Melrose, TBL Coach (2008) -- 144 days
Aaron Rodgers QB Jets (2023) -- 141 days
Mike Babcock, CBJ Coach (2023) -- 78 days
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Think the title of this forum thread is B-O-G-U-S LOL
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Barry Melrose, TBL Coach (2008) -- 144 days
Aaron Rodgers QB Jets (2023) -- 141 days
Mike Babcock, CBJ Coach (2023) -- 78 OFF-SEASON days


...little bit of xtra bold above ^ ^
 
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