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Paying Willy and Auston Is Not Hard

Created by: DougieGilmour
Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 7, 2023
Published: Aug. 7, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$900,000
2$2,000,000
3$2,850,000
3$900,000
2$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$13,250,000
8$10,250,000
2$775,000
3$4,000,000
2$3,000,000
2$3,250,000
2$850,000
2$2,450,000
1$2,500,000
2$950,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2026 6th round pick (DAL)
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Done during 23-24 season
2.
TOR
  1. Kovacevic, Johnathan
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (MIN)
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Also during 23-24
3.
TOR
  1. Raddysh, Taylor [RFA Rights]
CHI
  1. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
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2024 TDL
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$88,000,000$85,311,334$0$0$2,688,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$13,250,000$13,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$10,250,000$10,250,000
RW
UFA - 8
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,850,000$2,850,000
RW
RFA
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$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
UFA
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
RFA
$2,450,000$2,450,000
G
UFA
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA
$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$950,000$950,000
C, RW
UFA
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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*Is not what you HeARD
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Yeah, man. It's easy. Just 3 trades, several under market contract signings, and severely depleting your goaltending tandem. No problem.
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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Montreal has no reason to do this
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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well, its not that hard but the team is loosing a lot of depth.
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Yeah, man. It's easy. Just 3 trades, several under market contract signings, and severely depleting your goaltending tandem. No problem.


3 trades in the course of a year is very normal. Who is underpaid?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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Montreal has no reason to do this


Lol seriously?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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in no world will i sign matthews to a 3 year deal, it must be at least 6 yrs
and in no world i will allow nylander to sign more than 9 mill due to the aho deal
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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3 trades in the course of a year is very normal. Who is underpaid?


Domi and Shillington + Raddysh, pending how those two perform this year.

Probably also Liligren, considering he's also arbitrator eligible
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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Lol seriously?


Yes, quite seriously...? Why on earth would we want to add another depth forward and take on the contract attached to him, while paying to do so?
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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Yes, quite seriously...? Why on earth would we want to add another depth forward and take on the contract attached to him, while paying to do so?


You call that paying? That’s giving garbage to us and getting a good player back.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: mvp13
Domi and Shillington + Raddysh, pending how those two perform this year.

Probably also Liligren, considering he's also arbitrator eligible


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Domi and Shillington + Raddysh, pending how those two perform this year.

Probably also Liligren, considering he's also arbitrator eligible


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Domi and Shillington + Raddysh, pending how those two perform this year.

Probably also Liligren, considering he's also arbitrator eligible


Domi gets a raise and term so I have no idea why you think that’s underpaying him. Kylington hasn’t played hockey in a whole season so who knows if we will even want him? Raddysh could make more but I’m using Sprong as a comp. How much more could Lilly get? Look at what other defenceman got who have been better than him and tell me how much more he’s worth?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.
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in no world will i sign matthews to a 3 year deal, it must be at least 6 yrs
and in no world i will allow nylander to sign more than 9 mill due to the aho deal


He’s not signing for that long. He will want to hit the open market when the cap is 95M or more. And who cares what Aho got paid?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.
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You call that paying? That’s giving garbage to us and getting a good player back.


2 assets out, both similar in value. 1 asset in we have no use or desire for, worth roughly half of what you've proposed. Yep, I'd call that paying.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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It can be done. I don't think people are suggesting that it CAN'T be done...rather it SHOULDN'T be done. Nylander isn't worth $9.5M (looks above to make sure I got it right...oh $hit you have $10.25?!?!). This is very likely the NHL's worst goaltending tandem. There are countless examples of "hot rookie" goalies not actually turning into anything in the NHL and Woll hasn't even reached that level yet. Woll has 11 career games and you're making an assumption that his AHL career .898 SV% and 3.04 GAA will translate to something better??? This team also lacks depth needed for the playoffs.
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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Domi gets a raise and term so I have no idea why you think that’s underpaying him. Kylington hasn’t played hockey in a whole season so who knows if we will even want him? Raddysh could make more but I’m using Sprong as a comp. How much more could Lilly get? Look at what other defenceman got who have been better than him and tell me how much more he’s worth?


Well you are signing Shillington as a UFA, so obviously he will have played this last season. As far as "who knows if we will even want him?" I mean, YOU did make the team, right? It wasn't me logged into your account? I don't really know how to answer that.

Domi gets a raise - on the season he took a huge discount for. That raise is also very inconsequential when you factor in the cap increase. I don't even think it's much of a raise at all.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
2 assets out, both similar in value. 1 asset in we have no use or desire for, worth roughly half of what you've proposed. Yep, I'd call that paying.


A pick that will almost certainly not produce an NHLer and a bad defenceman who is a giveaway machine for a player who can play on the 2nd or 3rd line and can play all forward positions? You’re out to lunch.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:49 p.m.
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It can be done. I don't think people are suggesting that it CAN'T be done...rather it SHOULDN'T be done. Nylander isn't worth $9.5M (looks above to make sure I got it right...oh $hit you have $10.25?!?!). This is very likely the NHL's worst goaltending tandem. There are countless examples of "hot rookie" goalies not actually turning into anything in the NHL and Woll hasn't even reached that level yet. Woll has 11 career games and you're making an assumption that his AHL career .898 SV% and 3.04 GAA will translate to something better??? This team also lacks depth needed for the playoffs.


I’m not paying Hellebuyck over 9M a year so you go with what’s available. Goalies are a crapshoot. No one can predict goalies. You either find an elite one via the draft or you go with average ones via UFAs.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:49 p.m.
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I hope everything you have outlined happens.
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
A pick that will almost certainly it produce an NHLer and a bad defenceman who is a giveaway machine for a player who can play on the 2nd or 3rd line and can play all forward positions? You’re out to lunch.


If that's how you feel, why did you propose the trade? Keep him then if you think he's so magical.
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Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:52 p.m.
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Well you are signing Shillington as a UFA, so obviously he will have played this last season. As far as "who knows if we will even want him?" I mean, YOU did make the team, right? It wasn't me logged into your account? I don't really know how to answer that.

Domi gets a raise - on the season he took a huge discount for. That raise is also very inconsequential when you factor in the cap increase. I don't even think it's much of a raise at all.


Yes I’m assuming he will play and I’m assuming he’s going to be worth what he’s making. Both of those are reasonable assumptions. I’m not guessing he’s going to rank and I’m not guessing he’s going to turn into Paul Coffey either. Domi making another 1M with term at his age is the best bet for him. If someone else offers 5M with 3 or more years then good for him.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 12:52 p.m.
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If that's how you feel, why did you propose the trade? Keep him then if you think he's so magical.


There’s this thing called the salary cap.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
I’m not paying Hellebuyck over 9M a year so you go with what’s available. Goalies are a crapshoot. No one can predict goalies. You either find an elite one via the draft or you go with average ones via UFAs.


I understand goalies play can vary AND that a newer goalie hasn't had their weaknesses exposed yet which give them a temporary benefit to the good, but to anyone not in TOR...it's highly debatable whether Woll is good enough for an AHL starting role. He's does NOT have a good AHL track record. Surely you have to at least admit that.
Aug. 7, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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There’s this thing called the salary cap.


Further proving my point, why is MTL paying to take him?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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Paying them isn't "hard" as you suggest. But filling out a good roster around them with there inflated contract is..
Willy shouldn't be given an eight year contract and certainly not over at the price you paid him 10.25m. Is Matthews worth to be the second highest paid player in the league?
Aug. 7, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
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Lol seriously?


Seriously, Kovacevic is very underrated and plays a position of need for the Habs, where as Jarnkrok is a bottom 6 (maybe middle six) winger. He is paid more than twice as much as Kovacevic and doesn't fit our window. We already have Armia who is taking the spot of a younger guy why should we trade for Jarnkrok to jam it up more?!
 
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