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Pettersson deal and TDL

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Team: 2023-24 Columbus Blue Jackets
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 26, 2024
Published: Feb. 26, 2024
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Assuming Pettersson doesn't re-sign in Vancouver and that he's willing to do so in Columbus, who have playoff aspirations.

Peeke and Roslovic basically goes for draft picks to whoever gives the best offer.

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Clarifications summarising my confused ramblings in the comments section:
The Pettersson deal:
- Pettersson wants out of Vancouver for tax reasons.
- Due to this and the very high salary that re-signing him would require, only a handful of teams are seriously involved.
- This is an opening offer. Due to the many factors playing into the situation based on the assumptions above, it's going to be impossible to find any kind of sweet spot. Therefore, I gave the opening offer and note that Columbus, if need be, could probably add someone like Brindley to the deal, exchange Johnson for Marchenko, Ceulemans for Svozil, throw in a later round draft pick, you name it.
- Given Vancouver's situation, I'd imagine they'd generally prefer players to draft picks.
- The 2024 1st included is unprotected and likely top 5. With that, you can get a player like Celebrini, Catton, Demidov, Dickinson, Levshunov or Silayev. That might give Vancouver a player in 24-25 or 25-26.
- The trade would be made in the off-season, before the draft.
- The only players completely off limits are Fantilli and Jiricek. Mateychuk, Werenski and Jenner would warrant something more coming back from Vancouver or subtracting something from Columbus' side.
- An example of a more realistic representation of the upper region of what Columbus would offer is this trade:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/808174

The other deals:
- They are TDL moves. The Peeke and Roslovic trade could be with any team.
- The NJ trade is based on another post:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/806181
Trades
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2.
CBJ
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (CBJ)
PHI
  1. 2025 2nd round pick (CBJ)
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Deferring the pick to 2025.
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CBJ
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Roslovic, Jack ($2,000,000 retained)
4.
CBJ
  1. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
  2. 2024 7th round pick (TOR)
5.
CBJ
  1. Vanecek, Vitek
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NJD)
  4. 2024 5th round pick (COL)
NJD
  1. Merzlikins, Elvis ($1,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Based on this: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/806181
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Feb. 26 at 5:31 p.m.
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If I’m the Canucks I’m pushing super hard for either Fantilli (I know he’s a pipe dream) or Jiricek to be included. But this is a strong offer

Also haven’t been following Columbus much this year but what’s up with Johnson’s production this year? Just a sophomore slump? Or something to do with coaching?
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Feb. 26 at 5:33 p.m.
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Why on earth would he want to sign in Columbus?

That being said, Jiricek would be the starting point on any deal.
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Feb. 26 at 5:35 p.m.
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laugh If Elias Pettersson doesn't re-sign with Vancouver, Than why in the hell would he go to one of the most mismanaged teams in all of hockey. And that offer doesn't get him.
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Feb. 26 at 5:35 p.m.
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Peeke is a pure cap dump and wouldn't make the leafs roster
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Feb. 26 at 5:35 p.m.
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We'd need Fantilli coming back, and it would have to be a off-season deal
Feb. 26 at 5:44 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 26 at 5:51 p.m.
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Why on earth would he want to sign in Columbus?

That being said, Jiricek would be the starting point on any deal.


I don't even know why he'd want to leave Vancouver, so I'll just say tax reasons.

In all seriousness, Columbus have the potential to be very good in the coming years. That would basically be the reason. But as I said, I don't even understand why he'd want to leave Vancouver in the first place. I'm just throwing an offer out there. I think Columbus can offer one of the strongest offers that Vancouver are going to get.

Jiricek is off-limits.
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Feb. 26 at 5:49 p.m.
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If I’m the Canucks I’m pushing super hard for either Fantilli (I know he’s a pipe dream) or Jiricek to be included. But this is a strong offer

Also haven’t been following Columbus much this year but what’s up with Johnson’s production this year? Just a sophomore slump? Or something to do with coaching?


Yeah, Fantilli and Jiricek are not going to happen, though of course the Canucks should try.

A bit of a sophomore slump in combination with limited ice time and the coach wanting him to work more on the physical/defensive part of his game, I'd say. Other CBJ fans can fill in.

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laugh If Elias Pettersson doesn't re-sign with Vancouver, Than why in the hell would he go to one of the most mismanaged teams in all of hockey. And that offer doesn't get him.


I don't think the Canucks are getting a much better offer. It's something like this or losing him to free agency. Consider it a starting point.
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Feb. 26 at 5:54 p.m.
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Columbus can put together arguably the strongest offer you’d get even without Fantilli or Jiricek because the unprotected 24 first and KJ would be the basis, plus pretty much whatever else you’d want (I’d take Voronkov off the table but seriously, anything but those three guys). And if it happened in the off-season, you don’t even have to take cap back because Columbus has a ton of space, which other candidates can’t offer.

The best place for him is Vancouver. It’s basically a negative chance he (or his agent) would consider signing in Columbus, so this is very moot.
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Feb. 26 at 5:54 p.m.
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it would have to be a off-season deal


I was just too lazy to make it for the 2024-25, because I'd just feel obliged to do contract re-signings then. So yes, it's meant to be an off-season deal.
Feb. 26 at 6:07 p.m.
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Other than CBJ, what team says yes?
Feb. 26 at 6:11 p.m.
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Feb. 26 at 6:26 p.m.
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I imagine Vancouver would have a number of better offers on the table if they made Pettersson available.
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Feb. 26 at 6:48 p.m.
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Thank you!

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I imagine Vancouver would have a number of better offers on the table if they made Pettersson available.

If you say so. For what it's worth, I'd be willing to add complementary pieces, but this is the basis of the deal.
Feb. 26 at 6:59 p.m.
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-CBJ has a nice roster of prospects they could deal from to make this work - there's a lot of U23 guys I feel like you could build a solid package out of (Ceulemans, Mateychuk, Johnson, Sillinger, Knazko, Luca DBB, Jordan Dumais, Gavin Brindley) without touching Fantilli or Jiricek - and for everyone saying Pettersson wouldn't sign there, well, how many of you had Columbus as Johnny Gadreau's destination a couple summers back?

-Both the Peeke and Roslovic trades are a little big on the return - I think the Jackets have to retain fully on both guys to get near that type of value.

-Devils pass this trade, I think - do you really think the upgrade from Vanecek (.890, 3.18 GAA -11.2 GSAx) to Elvis (.902, 3.29, 0.1 GSAx) is worth that kind of prospect haul? I think the Devils can get back to league-average goaltending without having to give up a 1st if they really wanted to make the move.
Feb. 26 at 7:11 p.m.
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-CBJ has a nice roster of prospects they could deal from to make this work - there's a lot of U23 guys I feel like you could build a solid package out of (Ceulemans, Mateychuk, Johnson, Sillinger, Knazko, Luca DBB, Jordan Dumais, Gavin Brindley) without touching Fantilli or Jiricek - and for everyone saying Pettersson wouldn't sign there, well, how many of you had Columbus as Johnny Gadreau's destination a couple summers back?

-Both the Peeke and Roslovic trades are a little big on the return - I think the Jackets have to retain fully on both guys to get near that type of value.

-Devils pass this trade, I think - do you really think the upgrade from Vanecek (.890, 3.18 GAA -11.2 GSAx) to Elvis (.902, 3.29, 0.1 GSAx) is worth that kind of prospect haul? I think the Devils can get back to league-average goaltending without having to give up a 1st if they really wanted to make the move.


Yes, this is basically an opening offer. Complimentary pieces can be added.

I modified the Peeke and Roslovic trades. I think CBJ would retain on Roslovic but not on Peeke. Peeke is basically a cap dump.

The Devils trade was based on this:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/806181
It's meant to be a TDL deal, so I could see the Devils paying a fair amount for decent goaltending. I'd add some later round picks from CBJ for the NJ 1st rounder.
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Feb. 26 at 7:58 p.m.
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Thank you!


If you say so. For what it's worth, I'd be willing to add complementary pieces, but this is the basis of the deal.


Teams like Anaheim, Chicago, Arizona, Buffalo and Montreal could/would likely beat that basis of the deal. Columbus could too and if Pettersson was available demand would likely be too high for them to compete with that offer.

I also don't see New Jersey moving a first + for Merzlikins if Markstrom or Saros is available and I doubt Roslovic goes for quite that much either, especially from Carolina who historically don't like paying for rentals.
Feb. 26 at 8:14 p.m.
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I imagine Vancouver would have a number of better offers on the table if they made Pettersson available.


Here's the problem...what other team has the Cap room to pull off the offer he wants right now? Of the 4 you listed Columbus has the best tax burden and has a very strong prospect pool. If he wants paid Columbus isn't as bad as people make it out to be its not some cow pasture.
Feb. 26 at 8:17 p.m.
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Columbus can put together arguably the strongest offer you’d get even without Fantilli or Jiricek because the unprotected 24 first and KJ would be the basis, plus pretty much whatever else you’d want (I’d take Voronkov off the table but seriously, anything but those three guys). And if it happened in the off-season, you don’t even have to take cap back because Columbus has a ton of space, which other candidates can’t offer.

The best place for him is Vancouver. It’s basically a negative chance he (or his agent) would consider signing in Columbus, so this is very moot.



Looking at both sides involved this is just theater and a giant game of chicken. EP very well could get that 11mil paycheck but Vancouver wants to keep a viable team. Right now vancouver is starting to look very 2016-2019 CBJ and we all know how that ended.
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Feb. 27 at 1:50 a.m.
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Teams like Anaheim, Chicago, Arizona, Buffalo and Montreal could/would likely beat that basis of the deal. Columbus could too and if Pettersson was available demand would likely be too high for them to compete with that offer.

I also don't see New Jersey moving a first + for Merzlikins if Markstrom or Saros is available and I doubt Roslovic goes for quite that much either, especially from Carolina who historically don't like paying for rentals.


In general, I think the Canucks would prefer young players that can make an impact next year or, at the most, the one after that.

This deal gives them a high potential player that's coming into the NHL in 2024 or 2025, Johnson who should break through any season now, an experienced D in Provorov and a D prospect in Ceulemans. I think Columbus would make this trade if they had the opportunity.

Anaheim could, yes, but they don't have the same immediate playoff aspirations that Columbus do. They also have two young potential top two centres in MacTavish and Carlsson.

Chicago and Montréal have worse prospect pools than Columbus. They could maybe offer more picks, but I don't think that's what Vancouver would be looking for. Montréal could offer Suzuki or Caufield, true enough, but firstly would they do so and secondly do they have enough complementary pieces to make the Canucks accept such a deal? I personally don't think so, not unless they win the draft lottery. That's why I don't see them making a better offer. But I would be intrigued to see a better basis for a trade proposal from a Canadiens fan. Also, if the taxes in Canada would be the reason for Pettersson leaving, he would not re-sign in Montréal, which should decimate their interest.

Arizona would have to make a deal centred around Keller. Could they? Yes. Would they? I don't know.

Buffalo would probably have to include Power, Thompson or someone like that. Would they do that? I think not.

In conclusion, I think the ceiling for what Columbus would be willing to give Vancouver is higher than what those teams would.

This, in combination with Columbus' high amount of cap space, gives this deal a slightly higher theoretical probability of turning into something, in my opinion. But I'm probably biased as a CBJ fan.

See my previous comments regarding the Merzlikins trade. The Roslovic and Peeke trades can basically be to any TDL buyer.
Feb. 27 at 10:52 a.m.
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Here's the problem...what other team has the Cap room to pull off the offer he wants right now? Of the 4 you listed Columbus has the best tax burden and has a very strong prospect pool. If he wants paid Columbus isn't as bad as people make it out to be its not some cow pasture.


Tax burden is irrelevant to Vancouver in a trade and each of those teams can offer what he wants. Its not that Columbus is bad, its that they aren't the only option.

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In general, I think the Canucks would prefer young players that can make an impact next year or, at the most, the one after that.

This deal gives them a high potential player that's coming into the NHL in 2024 or 2025, Johnson who should break through any season now, an experienced D in Provorov and a D prospect in Ceulemans. I think Columbus would make this trade if they had the opportunity.

Anaheim could, yes, but they don't have the same immediate playoff aspirations that Columbus do. They also have two young potential top two centres in MacTavish and Carlsson.

Chicago and Montréal have worse prospect pools than Columbus. They could maybe offer more picks, but I don't think that's what Vancouver would be looking for. Montréal could offer Suzuki or Caufield, true enough, but firstly would they do so and secondly do they have enough complementary pieces to make the Canucks accept such a deal? I personally don't think so, not unless they win the draft lottery. That's why I don't see them making a better offer. But I would be intrigued to see a better basis for a trade proposal from a Canadiens fan. Also, if the taxes in Canada would be the reason for Pettersson leaving, he would not re-sign in Montréal, which should decimate their interest.

Arizona would have to make a deal centred around Keller. Could they? Yes. Would they? I don't know.

Buffalo would probably have to include Power, Thompson or someone like that. Would they do that? I think not.

In conclusion, I think the ceiling for what Columbus would be willing to give Vancouver is higher than what those teams would.

This, in combination with Columbus' high amount of cap space, gives this deal a slightly higher theoretical probability of turning into something, in my opinion. But I'm probably biased as a CBJ fan.

See my previous comments regarding the Merzlikins trade. The Roslovic and Peeke trades can basically be to any TDL buyer.


If all your willing to give is a 1st, a young recent draft pick who has struggled in the NHL, a young prospect that hasn't looked great being drafted and a veteran D-man, then every one of those teams can beat that proposal.

The difference between Columbus' prospect pool and teams like Anaheim, Chicago, Montreal, Arizona and Buffalo is not what you seem to think. Even putting aside the Ducks, each of those teams has the prospect/young NHLer/pick depth with available veterans to beat that offer. Your overrating the pieces you're offering here. Especially if you're putting names like Suzuki, Caufield, Keller and Power from other teams up. Your not offering Fantilli, Jiricek, Sillinger or Voronkov here. Hell, your not even offering Mateychuk or Brindley.

Everyone is biased in favour of other teams, but I don't think your familiar with the depth and quality of what other teams have.
Feb. 27 at 11:05 a.m.
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so if we offer sheet elias, vancouver gets four of our next 5 first round picks and it's whichever four are available first. so you're getting this year's high lotto pick for sure. but then you gotta do some math on how much worse the picks down the line will get with fantilli healthy and developing and petey on the roster. kent was a 5th overall with a ton of potential, so he's probably worth more than our 2025 first would be. provorov is worth a mid-first pick. and ceulemans is a late first and the weakest part of the package. svozil looks more ready than ceulemans and so maybe they ask for him instead.

so basically the offer for elias here is no different than what they would get if we just offer sheeted him. and that's not gonna get it done. if they're making a deal rather than letting him go to RFA, they're gonna want more than the equivalent to the draft comp.
Feb. 27 at 11:08 a.m.
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so if we offer sheet elias, vancouver gets four of our next 5 first round picks and it's whichever four are available first. so you're getting this year's high lotto pick for sure. but then you gotta do some math on how much worse the picks down the line will get with fantilli healthy and developing and petey on the roster. kent was a 5th overall with a ton of potential, so he's probably worth more than our 2025 first would be. provorov is worth a mid-first pick. and ceulemans is a late first and the weakest part of the package. svozil looks more ready than ceulemans and so maybe they ask for him instead.

so basically the offer for elias here is no different than what they would get if we just offer sheeted him. and that's not gonna get it done. if they're making a deal rather than letting him go to RFA, they're gonna want more than the equivalent to the draft comp.


Quoting: JacketsComrade
so if we offer sheet elias, vancouver gets four of our next 5 first round picks and it's whichever four are available first. so you're getting this year's high lotto pick for sure. but then you gotta do some math on how much worse the picks down the line will get with fantilli healthy and developing and petey on the roster. kent was a 5th overall with a ton of potential, so he's probably worth more than our 2025 first would be. provorov is worth a mid-first pick. and ceulemans is a late first and the weakest part of the package. svozil looks more ready than ceulemans and so maybe they ask for him instead.

so basically the offer for elias here is no different than what they would get if we just offer sheeted him. and that's not gonna get it done. if they're making a deal rather than letting him go to RFA, they're gonna want more than the equivalent to the draft comp.


An offseason offersheet would start at the 2025 1st, not 2024. The 2024 1st isn't in play for offer sheets
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Feb. 27 at 11:09 a.m.
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An offseason offersheet would start at the 2025 1st, not 2024. The 2024 1st isn't in play for offer sheets


oh **** ur right thank you offer sheet date is july 1

okay that being said this offer here definitely beats the draft comp VAN would get.
Feb. 27 at 12:52 p.m.
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Tax burden is irrelevant to Vancouver in a trade and each of those teams can offer what he wants. Its not that Columbus is bad, its that they aren't the only option.

If all your willing to give is a 1st, a young recent draft pick who has struggled in the NHL, a young prospect that hasn't looked great being drafted and a veteran D-man, then every one of those teams can beat that proposal.

The difference between Columbus' prospect pool and teams like Anaheim, Chicago, Montreal, Arizona and Buffalo is not what you seem to think. Even putting aside the Ducks, each of those teams has the prospect/young NHLer/pick depth with available veterans to beat that offer. Your overrating the pieces you're offering here. Especially if you're putting names like Suzuki, Caufield, Keller and Power from other teams up. Your not offering Fantilli, Jiricek, Sillinger or Voronkov here. Hell, your not even offering Mateychuk or Brindley.

Everyone is biased in favour of other teams, but I don't think your familiar with the depth and quality of what other teams have.


I've already said that this is an opening offer, not "all I'm willing to give." Columbus could add more if need be, in my opinion. Ultimately this is all based on the scenario that Vancouver basically have to trade Pettersson. Then it's not going to cut it for them to wait for some ideal value, it's going to be the highest bidder that gets him. I'd be happy to see an offer that those teams would be willing and able to give that would be better than this and see if Columbus could add something to bid over them. So please share one if you have any specific ones in mind. smile

Oh, and yes, tax reasons will be irrelevant for Vancouver. But if that's the reason that he would want out, it's not irrelevant for Montréal. Or Ottawa, who could also be in the mix.

I will freely admit to my phrasing regarding the relative quality of the other teams' prospect pools and potential offers being clumsy. But my basic point stands. Columbus' prospect pool is generally considered to be of a very high quality and I believe they could put it to good use in a bidding war for Pettersson. A team like Buffalo could of course offer a lot, if they so desired. They have a lot of good young players. But as I said, this is meant to be a starting bid and as such, I think it's pretty damn strong.
Feb. 27 at 12:54 p.m.
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Quoting: JacketsComrade
so if we offer sheet elias, vancouver gets four of our next 5 first round picks and it's whichever four are available first. so you're getting this year's high lotto pick for sure. but then you gotta do some math on how much worse the picks down the line will get with fantilli healthy and developing and petey on the roster. kent was a 5th overall with a ton of potential, so he's probably worth more than our 2025 first would be. provorov is worth a mid-first pick. and ceulemans is a late first and the weakest part of the package. svozil looks more ready than ceulemans and so maybe they ask for him instead.

so basically the offer for elias here is no different than what they would get if we just offer sheeted him. and that's not gonna get it done. if they're making a deal rather than letting him go to RFA, they're gonna want more than the equivalent to the draft comp.


I'd have no problem with replacing Ceulemans with Svozil if that's what it took.
 
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