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Time to Reconnect the Dots Between Buf and Edm

Created by: Payner17
Initial Creation Date: Oct 3, 2019
Published: Oct 3 at 3:38 pm
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Trades
BUF
  1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
EDM
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  2. Sheary, Conor
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
  • Ville Leino: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,082,023$0$4,440,000$1,417,977
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$767,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 7
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$3,650,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
$4,500,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Rodrigues, Evan
$2,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Vesey, Jimmy
$2,275,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$1,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Larsson, Johan
$1,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 2
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$1,325,000
G
RFA - 1
BUF
Gilmour, John
$700,000
D
UFA - 1
BUF
Borgen, William
$864,166
RD
RFA - 2
BUF
Scandella, Marco
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Sobotka, Vladimír
$3,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
$5,142,857
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Hunwick, Matt
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
$778,333
G
RFA - 3
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,387,500
RD
RFA - 1

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Oct 3 at 3:39
#1
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Was just thinking this
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Oct 3 at 3:43
#2
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If I was manager of Oilers I would never do this, they have lots of D, no wingers! They have Bouchard, Jones and Lagesson that can all play in the NHL
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Oct 3 at 3:43
#3
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I think Edmonton could get more for the RNH.
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Oct 3 at 3:47
#4
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Lmao absolutely not. Nuge is sick, and Risto is trash.
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Oct 3 at 3:56
#5
Biased Opinion
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This might actually be worse than Hall for Larsson
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Oct 3 at 3:58
#6
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Quoting: Copenhagen
If I was manager of Oilers I would never do this, they have lots of D, no wingers! They have Bouchard, Jones and Lagesson that can all play in the NHL


Sheary is a winger; and he's probably on the first line in Edmonton.
Edmonton has a lot of good young defenseman, but I'm not as sure they're ready for the NHL. You could start out with the D-corp below and replace Russell with Bouchard when he's ready.

Nurse - Larsson
Klefbom - Ristolainen
Russell - Benning
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Oct 3 at 4:08
#7
Hey Beter
Joined: Oct 2017
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Do Sabres fans still not understand - despite Edmonton's flaws - that nobody is paying a premium price for Ristolainen?

If you want this deal, drop the 2021 2nd Round Pick in favour of the Buffalo 2020 1st (unprotected) and toss Davidsson in. I literally don't care that Puljujarvi is in this deal: in what universe does one of the league's worst defenders and a middle-six winger net you a defensively-responsible top-6 center? Christ almighty, give something up if you want to get RNH. Teams should pay for what players are worth, the Chiarelli days are over. The Oilers won't pay for what Sheary or Ristolainen could be in Edmonton. They'll pay for what they've been in Buffalo, and that's only a couple steps north of NHL replacement level players.
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Oct 3 at 4:12
#8
Subbanator
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Do Sabres fans still not understand - despite Edmonton's flaws - that nobody is paying a premium price for Ristolainen?

If you want this deal, drop the 2021 2nd Round Pick in favour of the Buffalo 2020 1st (unprotected) and toss Davidsson in. I literally don't care that Puljujarvi is in this deal: in what universe does one of the league's worst defenders and a middle-six winger net you a defensively-responsible top-6 center? Christ almighty, give something up if you want to get RNH. Teams should pay for what players are worth, the Chiarelli days are over. The Oilers won't pay for what Sheary or Ristolainen could be in Edmonton. They'll pay for what they've been in Buffalo, and that's only a couple steps north of NHL replacement level players.


You realize Risto would jump right into Edmontons top pairing
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Oct 3 at 4:15
#9
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
You realize Risto would jump right into Edmontons top pairing


Yup, he would jump right in and post a minus 50 again, we are trying to be more defense responsible, not the other way around.
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Oct 3 at 4:41
#10
Hey Beter
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
You realize Risto would jump right into Edmontons top pairing


Strictly because Larsson broke himself last night.

Regardless of where Ristolainen slots or how bad Edmonton's right side is, Ristolainen is not a good NHL option. Factor in his cap hit, and that's a lot of nothing to send RNH away for.
Oct 3 at 4:54
#11
MisstheWhalers
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This is so not good for Edmonton.
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Oct 3 at 5:00
#12
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Do Sabres fans still not understand - despite Edmonton's flaws - that nobody is paying a premium price for Ristolainen?

If you want this deal, drop the 2021 2nd Round Pick in favour of the Buffalo 2020 1st (unprotected) and toss Davidsson in. I literally don't care that Puljujarvi is in this deal: in what universe does one of the league's worst defenders and a middle-six winger net you a defensively-responsible top-6 center? Christ almighty, give something up if you want to get RNH. Teams should pay for what players are worth, the Chiarelli days are over. The Oilers won't pay for what Sheary or Ristolainen could be in Edmonton. They'll pay for what they've been in Buffalo, and that's only a couple steps north of NHL replacement level players.


Listen, I'll be the first one to say Risto isn't great. But tossing in an unprotected 1st and davidsson just for RNH is just crazy talk.
Oct 3 at 5:13
#13
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Quoting: corsiagainst
Listen, I'll be the first one to say Risto isn't great. But tossing in an unprotected 1st and davidsson just for RNH is just crazy talk.


Not at all. There's a very good chance that these two players - in combination - don't impact the NHL at RNH's level.
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Oct 3 at 6:24
#14
Hey Beter
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Quoting: corsiagainst
Listen, I'll be the first one to say Risto isn't great. But tossing in an unprotected 1st and davidsson just for RNH is just crazy talk.


Edmonton does not have the forward depth to support an RNH trade. If you want him, throw fair value out the window and make it worth the Oilers' while.
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Oct 4 at 9:58
#15
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Quoting: CD282
Not at all. There's a very good chance that these two players - in combination - don't impact the NHL at RNH's level.


Sure, and there is also a chance that RNH walks after next season since he's a UFA. Unprotected 1sts have enormous amounts of value nowadays with the lottery system. Hence why 90% of trades involving a 1st round pick have conditions attached to protect it in case of a lottery win. It's a ridiculous ask and RNH isn't good enough or have enough term left on a deal to justify it.
Oct 4 at 10:01
#16
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Edmonton does not have the forward depth to support an RNH trade. If you want him, throw fair value out the window and make it worth the Oilers' while.


I agree. Edmonton most definitely does not have the forward depth to justify trading RNH. I don't think they should. I also didn't purpose the trade and I don't want RNH. Just pointed out how your counter ask was asinine.
Nov 3 at 12:00
#17
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Quoting: sedin33
I think Edmonton could get more for the RNH.


Dude what happened to you? We need more canucks fans on this forum and you haven't been active for a month
Nov 3 at 4:12
#18
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Quoting: GMmaster13
Dude what happened to you? We need more canucks fans on this forum and you haven't been active for a month


Lol... just really busy
Nov 3 at 4:58
#19
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Yup, he would jump right in and post a minus 50 again, we are trying to be more defense responsible, not the other way around.


Guess you have not seen him play this year ,Last year team was bad coaching was even worse . Played the toughest match ups and played lots of minutes.
Nov 3 at 5:18
#20
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Quoting: Swagmaster
Guess you have not seen him play this year ,Last year team was bad coaching was even worse . Played the toughest match ups and played lots of minutes.


Dude that was a month ago, great response time, season did not even start yet..... WAKE UP He is still minus 2 and its the easy part of the year. I still wouldn't touch that guy
Nov 3 at 9:00
#21
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Dude that was a month ago, great response time, season did not even start yet..... WAKE UP He is still minus 2 and its the easy part of the year. I still wouldn't touch that guy


Playing top minutes against every teams top players . Plus minus is the most misused stat in sports . You better watch him play this year before bashing him . Just makes you look like a fool.
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Nov 3 at 9:38
#22
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Quoting: Swagmaster
Playing top minutes against every teams top players . Plus minus is the most misused stat in sports . You better watch him play this year before bashing him . Just makes you look like a fool.


Did you watch him play when I posted this, before the season started ahahhahaha FOOL look at the date of this! He played against the other teams last year too by the way, minus 50, wait until the end of the year and you can post something again when he is minus 30 about how good he is!
Nov 3 at 9:41
#23
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Quoting: Swagmaster
Playing top minutes against every teams top players . Plus minus is the most misused stat in sports . You better watch him play this year before bashing him . Just makes you look like a fool.


Also if he is so good, Buffalo and all the fans on capfriendly are crazy to get rid of him, he was on 90% of trading threads about Buffalo. Keep him and pay him what he is worth as a number 1 D
Nov 3 at 10:03
#24
Casual Analytics.
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Friendly reminder: Risto sucks. (Evolving-hockey RAPM chart here: https://gyazo.com/7cf8555ae8e6c6973e8a2094afc7409f). That takes into account score effects, Quality of competition/teammates, zone starts, and just about anything else you can think of. He cannot defend and is below-average offensively at 5v5. He is, at best, a 3rd pair PP specialist.

Quoting: Swagmaster
Playing top minutes against every teams top players . Plus minus is the most misused stat in sports . You better watch him play this year before bashing him . Just makes you look like a fool.


Playing top minutes does not mean you are good. I could play top minutes against the best players in the NHL. It wouldn't end well, but, well... *gestures at every Sabres team that has had Risto in that role*.

Quoting: Copenhagen
Did you watch him play when I posted this, before the season started ahahhahaha FOOL look at the date of this! He played against the other teams last year too by the way, minus 50, wait until the end of the year and you can post something again when he is minus 30 about how good he is!


+/- is a terrible stat and should never be cited in it's basic form. Strength-specific +/- is the only valid form, and even then GF% is almost always better (and there are arguments that xGF% and CF% are better options than that, too).

Quoting: corsiagainst
Listen, I'll be the first one to say Risto isn't great. But tossing in an unprotected 1st and davidsson just for RNH is just crazy talk.


The Sabres aren't realistically a contender without an ROR-level player (wonder where they could've had one of those). RNH isn't that. No reason to give Edmonton more help in the draft lottery, they've had plenty
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Quoting: Barbs
This might actually be worse than Hall for Larsson


Nothing's topping Hall for Larsson as long as Brannstrom becomes a top-pair D. Hall's a LOT better than RNH.
Quoting: Copenhagen
Also if he is so good, Buffalo and all the fans on capfriendly are crazy to get rid of him, he was on 90% of trading threads about Buffalo. Keep him and pay him what he is worth as a number 1 D


He has worse defensive numbers than Cody Ceci. THAN CODY CECI. THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE POSSIBLE.
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Nov 3 at 11:59
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Quoting: The_Ultimate_Pielord
Friendly reminder: Risto sucks. (Evolving-hockey RAPM chart here: https://gyazo.com/7cf8555ae8e6c6973e8a2094afc7409f). That takes into account score effects, Quality of competition/teammates, zone starts, and just about anything else you can think of. He cannot defend and is below-average offensively at 5v5. He is, at best, a 3rd pair PP specialist.



Playing top minutes does not mean you are good. I could play top minutes against the best players in the NHL. It wouldn't end well, but, well... *gestures at every Sabres team that has had Risto in that role*.



+/- is a terrible stat and should never be cited in it's basic form. Strength-specific +/- is the only valid form, and even then GF% is almost always better (and there are arguments that xGF% and CF% are better options than that, too).



The Sabres aren't realistically a contender without an ROR-level player (wonder where they could've had one of those). RNH isn't that. No reason to give Edmonton more help in the draft lottery, they've had plenty
/

Nothing's topping Hall for Larsson as long as Brannstrom becomes a top-pair D. Hall's a LOT better than RNH.

He has worse defensive numbers than Cody Ceci. THAN CODY CECI. THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE POSSIBLE.


Sorry you have not watched any games obviously
 
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