Blues aren't trading Neighbors for Chiarot. Way way to big of an overpay for him

You argue the Chiarot is worth a first and then pay basically 2 1st's. Blues would be dumb to do this

Delusional.

Ask yourself, if getting premium pieces was this easy, why wouldn't every team just rebuild at the first sign of missing the playoffs? You're confusing speculation on the trade market with reality - where a couple of high-end rentals will get traded for a couple of first round picks /across the entire league/ and no blue-chip prospects are traded. These returns are borderline trolling.

That's a bigger return than Jersey got for Coleman.Lehkonen isn't as good and contract expires you're delusional if you think that's happening. Btw Arizona isn't retaining anything for a 5 that would use their last retention spot and that's Kessel.
Edit: Brisebois stated on multiple occasions the extra year on both Coleman and Goodrow were a major factor in him pulling the trigger on the deals. Even with the cap retention TB doesn't have the cap space.

If Dallas could get that for Klingberg, we’d just trade him to Edmonton ourselves.

So let me get this straight... you go on a tirade about how "Chiarot is SO worth a 1st uh huh!" and then you expect a 1st plus a blue chip prospect that has already played in the NHL at 19 for him.

What now?

The Blues smash that offer into the cheap seats, and don't even listen to another. Obviously.

Then you want to trade for Klingberg, and turn right around to trade him for far more than you paid for him?

Dude... pretty much all of this is wacky. Sorry, but it's very true.

chiarot sucks and theres really no other analysis other than that

Ok...

1) If the Pens decide to make a depth forward move, I think that's fair. I don't think they will, but if they did, cool.

2) That STL trade... Dude, come on. While the market may dictate he goes for a 1st (I don't think he's even worth a 3rd), adding on a high-end prospect? I'm really trying not to be rude here, but that's absurd.

3) Tampa trade? Look, I read the description, but a 1st, 3rd and 5th? We clearly see Lehkonen differently, but THREE futures?

4) I know many don't agree on your DAL trade, but I think there COULD be something there DEPENDING on what DAL is looking to do.

5) EDM doesn't need Klingberg. They have plenty of offense on their back-end. They need stability.

6) Anderson's contract his horrific, especially for what he provides. If anything, MTL would need to either retain to get that high of a return or take less to move him because of that contract.

7) NYI... I'll say this, the value in the deal is fair, but I'm not sure if that's something they're looking to do.

This is getting beyond stupid...

Not borderline. Actual trolling.

Lmao NJ got less for Coleman who is better was also cheaper and had an extra year on his contract, not to mention Cirelli is already playing better offensively and defensively than lehkonen this year so there is no spot for him on the team

Holy

habs fans are in shambles, 2 years they make the playoffs as 1 24th and 18th team overall and having a cinderella run to the finals, its not an unlucky season, they are bad and their coach is terrible

"Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to spare to hear about Montreal's lord and saviour Ben Chiarot? No? How about how aging charts are stupid and irrelevant when it comes to Jeff Petry?"

Lehkonen is an RFA not a UFA, so maybe relax a little on the "extra year" stuff... I'll agree that it's a ridiculous return for Lehkonen though.

It's gotta fit the narrative you know.

I've seen numerous times that for example Pavelski wouldn't return a first round pick in exchange to him due to his age...he has like six months left, the guy doesn't even have time to age in that timeframe lol. But suddenly with Petry who is declining with three and a half years of term left, it isn't really a huge problem now because last year he was rock solid.

This ACGM is largely off base, but bolded is where people really miss.

For rentals:

Chiarot may return a 1st because he's one of the top considerations. People will disagree, but GMs will value a player like that for the playoffs. There might be two defensemen who return a 1st this year, and he might be one of them. (Giordano is the other, imo.)
If any other rental defensive D is traded for a 1st, Chiarot won't get one.

Lehkonen might be rumoured as a 1st, but he's also not a pure rental. That could put him in a different market. As a rental, he would not return a 1st with players like Giroux and Pavelski available. His RFA status is why he might be able to garner a 1st, but he's still competing for a limited pool of available 1sts with those offensive rentals.
There are 2-5 1sts exchanged each deadline. Normally closer to 2. Non-rentals are more likely to return a prospect as the main piece. That's where Lehkonen is.

As for Blue Chip prospects, they don't get moved for rentals (usually). Not without an extension agreement.
There's another problem here though. Not every prospect is blue chip. The league average per team is somewhere around 2. Your 3rd best prospect may not be one. Your 4th almost definitely isn't.
People treat every prospect as such and it simply isn't true. Pick two players you definitely wouldn't trade. If you struggle to pick the 2nd one between two choices (and be honest with yourself here), add a 3rd. Nobody else is "blue chip", regardless of how much you like them.

No rebuilding team is getting 5+ 1sts in such a short period of time, unless one or two players hold the value of two 1sts on their own (in separate years). The more players on the market at once, the less likely you get full value. That's why it takes multiple years to rebuild.
You have to piece out your roster to match situations as they develop, where you will get maximum return as teams look to fill needs and address roster issues.

Sorry Armstrong isn't stupid and in all honesty even when everyone thought he was gonna have to spend more for half the guys he did get he got them for way less. Chiarot is horrible, Yes blues might be interested but no one is bending over backwards to do Montreal favors.

Cool speech, but nobody ever said all prospects are blue chips. We said Neighbours is, and he is. That's an ice cold take, bro.

I 100% appreciate when people fire up a great chart instead of following the narrative/personal bias.

I've said it a bunch of times re: Chiarot-Is it possible that some dummy sends a 1st for Chiarot? Absolutely...but it's a move they'll regret.

I think it was @justaboss who had a "Why Chiarot is unlikely to get a 1st" thread where he analyzed every teams needs, and the likelihood of Chiarot ending up in their top 4. There was something like 2-3 teams total, each of whom would benefit from a Lindholm/Giordano more than they would from Chiarot.

I wasn't taking about what you said or Neighbors.
We were discussing general values league wide. Just as people overestimate how many 1st round picks are on the table, they overidentify how many of their own prospects are blue chip, can't miss players.
That was my point.

Okay, but you were directly responding to a comment that implied Neighbours' status as a blue chip prospect, and it was actually the second time in this thread that he was referenced as a blue chip prospect. So if you were not talking about Neighbours, it was a rather odd/misleading time to launch into a speech about people thinking prospects are blue chip when they're not.

I understood what you were getting at, and I agree-Everyone loves to throw around all of the 1st round picks and all of the top prospects in the game, but doesn't really want to look back at the numerous previous deadline examples and comps that are out there.

Examples from this thread:
-This thread has FIVE first round picks being acquired. The total number of first round picks traded at the deadline last year was 4.
-Chiarot...People are grasping on to the Friedman quote "Sure, I could see him netting a 1st" (It wasn't exactly that, but it wasn't "YES HE'S ABSOLUTELY GETTING A 1st!!!", when it's easier to look at how many expiring LD's have netted a 1st round pick since 2015 (Zero. Yandle was moved in 2015, but that's her).
-The "Chiarot comp is Savard" kinda gets me too...Isn't that Josh Manson? Chiarot is *possibly* the 3rd best LD available and that's behind Hampus Lindholm and Giordano. His EV charts are prety telling though.
-People move big contracts with NTC and NMC's around like they just don't exist.

Cripes...I missed the hilarious Josh Anderson trade until now. C'monnnnn...There's a difference between GM's "loving you" and GM's saying "F*ck it! We'll just let Gaudreau walk, and give up a 1st and our top prospect because we can get this overpaid 20 goal banger!"